Digital BW, The Print

Group moderator, please, please please step in stop the repition of 
the off point posts by the off point poster.  He's made his point.  
Great, now lets start talking about B&W printing again.

As for the off-point poster, if everyone raises their hand and 
acknowledges your point or points re: CS3 can you accept that please 
and lets get to topic?

thanks



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Clayton Price 
<clay@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Keith, and others -
> While I'm one of the people who agree with a lot of what you are  
> writing here, and certainly your
> right to post it, don't you think it's time to let this one go?  
One  
> issue here especially for those of
> us who receive these in the digest, is for some reason, an  
> unwillingness to trim any posts before
> sending them out. You've been as guilty of that as any of the  
> others!  It's one thing to read
> disagreements on issues, and even somewhat amusing to observe some  
> absurd biblical references,
> but ridiculous to have to scroll down forever, just to discover a 
few  
> more posts. So aside from
> letting a dead horse lie, what say we all get back to the B&W   
> PRINTING  business at hand. AND
> everyone-  TRIM YOUR POSTS -  Even the oldest and most forgetful 
of  
> us do not need or want to see
> the same group of repeated messages ad nausium!  BELOW, SEE WHAT 
ONE  
> POST LOOKS
> LIKE IN THE DIGEST FORM, THEM MULTIPLY IT BY FIVE FOR TODAY, AND 
WHAT  
> YOU
> HAVE IS A FORUM ON THE VERGE OF PETTY CHAOS.
> 
> Clayton Price
> 
> 
>  >>
>  >> 3b.
> Re: Photoshop CS3  Win distortion w/unequal horizontal and veritcal
> Posted by: "Editor P.O.V. Image Service" editor@...    
> povimage
> Sat May 19, 2007 9:51 am (PST)
> 
> 1) I haven't reposted or rehashed a single issue.
> 
> 2) It got on the nerves of several individuals as soon as it was 
first
> posted. They either don't care or they would prefer not to know. Too
> bad. That doesn't give them the right to try and shut down the flow 
of
> information. If it did, anyone could simply complain whenever a 
topic
> they don't want to hear about comes up (as Gary Brown has tended to 
do
> for the last 18 months) and people will shut up. I won't.
> 
> dealy663 wrote:
>  > Krebs,
>  >
>  > It was ok to post your complaints the first time, but your 
continued
>  > reposting and rehashing the same issue obviously is getting on
>  > people's nerves. Please just give it a rest. I'm just as sick 
of  
> it as
>  > everyone else is.
>  >
>  > This is one of the few forums that I participate in that 
doesn't  
> often
>  > devolve into stick throwing and name calling. Your self 
proclaimed
>  > bona fides are meaningless when taken in context with your  
> behavior on
>  > this list.
>  >
>  > A simple suggestion, don't reply to this post, you've already  
> tried to
>  > explain yourself multiple times. Once more isn't going to help.
>  >
>  > Derek
>  >
>  > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor 
P.O.V.
>  > Image Service" <editor@> wrote:
>  >
>  >>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Editor 
P.O.V.
>  >>> Image Service" <editor@> wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>> Ok, this is a PURE printing issue and reportedly ONLY under  
> Windows.
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>> Actually, this is a PURE Adobe issue, which you have posted on
>  >>> multiple non-Adobe specific message boards...
>  >>>
>  >>> Recently some of the Digital B&W and Epson Printer digests 
have had
>  >>> over 66% of their content related to CS3-specific issues.
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >> 1) Well that's interesting. Because , since I posted my first 
post
>  >> on this list regarding the issue, on May 12, there have been  
> exactly 16
>  >> posts from me out of 131 total posts onlist during the same 
period.
>  >> Doing the math, that comes out to approximately 12%.
>  >>
>  >> 2) I set up the EPSON list in 2000 and spend time running it 
EVERY
>  >> day, you.. um... don't... I spend time every day moderating:  
> approving
>  >> posts, approving members, etc. That's while teaching and taking
>  >> courses. Got any idea how much dedication it takes BY MYSELF to 
deal
>  >> for 7 years with lists that now total over 10,000 subscribers? 
How
>  >> about monitoring a few hundred posts a day? Ask the moderators 
here
>  >>
>  > how
>  >
>  >> much time it takes and how you always have to make sure someone
>  >> checks... even on vacation...
>  >>
>  >> .and you know what? I'm the ONLY moderator of those groups  
> (others have
>  >> dropped the ball repeatedly), that means most of the time, I  
> don't have
>  >> the leisure to post., meaning I only post when I think it's  
> necessary
>  >> to get some news out there.
>  >>
>  >> I don't get free ink from EPSON or the other printer  
> manufacturers. I
>  >> don't get printer deals from anyone. I don't get a dime from
>  >>
>  > advertising
>  >
>  >> or YAHOO! I get virtually NOTHING for running those lists and 
yet I
>  >> give my time freely. (My lawyer thinks I should have used the  
> lists to
>  >> make money long ago, but I have refused, because it isn't in 
the  
> spirit
>  >> of why and how the groups were set up.)
>  >>
>  >> Bottomline? As unfair as it may sound, that means, at the end 
of the
>  >> day, I decide what content gets posted there and what doesn't. 
I  
> also
>  >> decide who is allowed to post there, and under what conditions. 
In
>  >>
>  > fact,
>  >
>  >> I generally leave people free to post until/unless they engage 
in
>  >> personal attacks. If they do, they go.
>  >>
>  >> If you don't like the EPSON list content, you are free to leave 
that
>  >> list. As for this list, it is moderated by others and B&W 
focusses,
>  >> therefore I have consciously not posted a good deal of what has 
been
>  >> posted over on the EPSON list regarding CS3.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>> Combine
>  >>> that with getting your identical post multiple times from 
multiple
>  >>> user groups, we non-CS3 users are spending a lot of time 
filtering
>  >>> through non-B&W printing issues that do not apply to us. The  
> majority
>  >>> of us probably don't use CS3, but rather CS2 or earlier, 
Elements,
>  >>> PWP, or something else.
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >> That's the reality of having multiple subscriptions. How do 
you  
> think I
>  >> deal with that when running four printer lists and moderating 
a  
> fifth?
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>> May I suggest you're stretching beyond proper
>  >>> limits what is appropriate to post on this very topic-
specific  
> board?
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >> You may suggest it and I appreciate the tone, but Photoshop is 
still
>  >>
>  > the
>  >
>  >> pre-eminent image editing program out there. In fact, without 
it,  
> B&W
>  >> digital printing would not be where it is today. Again, feel 
free to
>  >>
>  > ask
>  >
>  >> the REAL experts like Roark, Clayton or CD Tobie.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>> Respectfully submitted for your consideration,
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >> ..and appreciated. Keep in mind that chaff is part of why I  
> generally
>  >> haven't responded to attacks on my posts: if for no other reason
>  >>
>  > than to
>  >
>  >> keep posts that have a low signal to noise ratio down.
>  >>
>  >> Before throwing rocks at the messenger next time (and I don't  
> mean you
>  >> specifically), it would be nice for people to consider what the
>  >> messenger has given the community at no cost. Adobe and the 
printer
>  >> manufacturers get paid for what they do. I do it because I give 
a  
> damn
>  >> about the user community. Maybe that's a ridiculously dated and
>  >> benighted concept in this day of commodification of everything 
right
>  >> down to forehead space for advertising, but it's an idea many 
once
>  >>
>  > shared.
>  >
>  >>
>  >> Keith Krebs
>  >>
>  >
>  >
>  >
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> Keith Krebs
> 
> 
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