Digital BW, The Print

Jim-

I use MIS and Lyson in two different 1160s. The MIS is in a CIS 
system and I've never really had a clog from it (near daily printing 
for about 2 months now). The first lyson I used was SG and it took 
quite a few cleaning cycles to get it working correctly (I chalk it 
up to a funny cart or just karma, but I still get the odd clog which 
I would discover from microbanding and then run clean cycles.)

I very recently popped in a couple of lyson quad neutral carts just 
for a change of pace and because if I like one of these, I think the 
way to go will be to put in a CIS and buy refill carts for luminous 
quads (lyson repackaged) for the 9000 (holds 220ml ink). My own 
feeling is that there are less problems with CIS than carts (just an 
opinion) so I want to get locked into a second ink (from FS) with a 
CIS.

I may be wrong, but I don't think there are metamerism issues with 
dye, just pigs????

The work flow is fairly straightforward... Lyson has published a lot 
of profiles on their website and I'm reasonably happy with the 
output... Though I'm working to get the neutral slightly less magenta 
without blocking up my shadows.

I can't find it, but I read something in the 65 year range for the 
quads (looks like the lyson site only refers to the color ink tests).

There have been so few complaints of clogging with the MIS inks that 
I suggest you consider it might be the printer and see if Epson will 
swap it out for you. No way should any printer need 15 minutes a day 
of cleaning. I'm sure you've looked in the archives here...lots of 
stuff to clean clogs...

Good luck,

Tom O'Connell


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "jimhayes361" 
<jimhayes@j...> wrote:
> I know not many people are using the Lyson monochromes, and I'm 
> reffering to the non-SG inkset here, but I'd like to hear any 
> experiences compared to either Piezo or MIS quads.
> 
> My angle is that even with the MIS, I'm getting clogs. If I turn 
the 
> 1280 on each day, I can usually clear it in 15 minutes with one or 
two 
> cleaning cycles-purge pages alone don't do it. This is a lot of 
ink, 
> and I'm starting to think of how nice those Epson inks slip through 
> the system, giving me perfect nozzle checks almost always. I've 
given 
> up on CIS and CFS and am using carts, to keep everything absolutely 
> fresh. My rule now is to use a cart no longer than 4 weeks (it 
never 
> lasts that long anyway), nor any closed 4 ounce bottle more than 5-
6 
> months.
> 
> I have narrowed the problem down to either decreased barometric 
> pressure here in Colorado at altitude or swinging the sacrificial 
> chicken at full moon counter-clockwise instead of clock-wise over 
my 
> printer.
> 
> However, Lyson quads are DYE based inks. Yes I know about the 
> metamerism. Would getting the coldish version of the inkset cut 
down 
> some of the warming under tungsten lighting or make it worse? How 
do 
> they fair longevity wise on matte papers, and how does workflow/ 
> output compare to say Piezo/MIS FS or MIS VM?
> 
> And finally...would greatly appreciate stories of clogging or lack 
> thereof wrt Lyson vs MIS...
> Jim H.