Digital BW, The Print

"(1) Will I get better results from a dedicated 1280 with third party  inks 
for B&W or do I use
the Epson 2200 w/ stock UC inks and QTR?

I used MIS inks in my 1280 some years ago. I don't remember exactly which 
ones but I think they were a type that isn't made any more - Variable Tone 
or something like that - with Paul Roark's curves. I also used QTR with my 
2200 and Epson UC inks, originally substituting MIS Eboni for the Epson 
black matte, then just using the Epson UC black matte when I ran into some 
problems with the Eboni cartridges. I saw no noticeable difference between 
the two in terms of print quality with prints up to about 12x17, both 
produced excellent results. However, using Epson UC inks in the 2200 allowed 
me to use the printer for color and b&w, which of course I couldn't do with 
the MIS inks. And I used to have enough quality control problems with the 
MIS inks for it to be irritating. I've never had a problem with Epson inks. 
So as between the two I'd use the 2200, QTR, and Epson inks.......

"(3) Is there a way to soft proof curve blends in QTR or with the Paul Roark 
curves."

I'm not aware of a way to do this with QTR though there are some of its 
features that I don't use. I made a bunch of prints of a 21 step wedge using 
different blends to get an idea of what each would look like. I don't 
remember for sure whether it was possible with MIS inks and Paul's curves or 
not, it's been quite a while since I used that combination.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jturner4210626" <JTurner421@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] New to B&W Printing - Dedicated Ink Sets and B&W 
Workflow Questions


Hello. I originally posted this on the QTR group but after additional time 
thought it might
be generic enough question for this forum.  I have at home an Epson 1280 and 
the printer
that replaced it an Epson 2200. I realize these are old printers in the 
scheme of things but
they have and still serve me well. I also own an Eye One Photo package and 
have been
making profiles for my printers for several years and get excellent screen 
to print match. I
have mostly concentrated on color printing the past several years but am 
looking to
venture into the world of B&W. I downloaded QTR the other day and played 
around with
printing to my Epson 2200 and was somewhat pleased with the output although 
I realize I
could probably do better.  I have also taken a look at the Paul Roark 
workflow but have not
tried them out as they seem to require dedicated ink sets. I am not in the 
market for a new
printer at this time although the Epson 2400 looks inviting.

Several questions:

1) Will I get better results from a dedicated 1280 with third party  inks 
for B&W or do I use
the Epson 2200 w/ stock UC inks and QTR?
2) QTR - I believe that I have the workflow for soft proofing correct. If I 
use the soft proof
in CS2 using the gray matte profile, this is a general representation of my 
image printing
through QTR assuming a neutral print. I may also convert the image to the 
QTR Gray 2.2
workspace and work on it that way.
3) Is there a way to soft proof curve blends in QTR or with the Paul Roark 
curves

Sorry for the rookie questions and thank you in advance for your reply.

--Joel Turner



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