Digital BW, The Print

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., ruhrfoto@y... wrote:
> Martin,
> 
> did you get my offline-message some hours ago about using the 
> Piezo driver and MIS FS inks (and BTW did you get my offline 
> infos about Hahnemühle Photo Rag?? - I got no answer)?

Bernd,

I did get your message of today a little while ago and hopefully you 
got my response. (I don't normally have access to my e-mail during 
the day and don't see them until I get home from work. I can post to 
the list though.)

I did not get your Hahnemuhle e-mail so please resend it.

> 
> If you followed the MIS web site in the last months you surely 
> recognized that they anounced a set of "Cone/PIEZO 
> REPLACEMENT INKs" in spring. They never answered my 
> inquiries in this regard, and later that anouncement disappeared 
> from their website to make place for the anouncement of the 
> "FULL SPECTRUM INKs" (Synonym for Continuous Tone!?)
> Nevertheless on their "News"-link you can find the following 
> plans for the year 2001 (from Jan 4,2001):
> 
> "Jan 4, 2001 - Plans for 2001
> Last year started with the Y2K challenge, not. This year, 2001, 
> should be an exciting year. We started several projects last year 
> and finished some of them, but many will come to fruition this 
> year. Here is a list of our active projects. We can not guarantee 
> completion dates or total success, but we wanted you to know 
> what may lie ahead. 
> *	Replacement Inks for the Piezography System at $52 per set...
> ........."

I have to say that in January I was not looking at MIS at all. I 
looked at them briefly last fall when I was deciding what to use. I 
had read about them previously in View Camera and Camera Arts. I saw 
the Piezo vs. MIS comparison images on the ConeTech site and based on 
that decided to go with Piezo. Only slowly have I become aware of the 
other options. One of the reasons we decided to start this list! 

> So I assume, the FULL SPECTRUM INKs were developed as 
> Cone replacement inks, but who knows.... now that they are on 
> the market, lets try what we can do with them...
> 
> I myself got my set aof MIS FS inks yesterday and installed them 
> with CIS on my second 1160 (backup) printer without any 
> problems (no clogging though I didn´t use cleaning carts)
> I printed a Piezo image on my first 1160 with piezo inks then 
> swapped to the MIS printer and printed the same image with MIS 
> inks using the Piezo Driver. 
> Surprise (or not?):
> Prints were nearly identicall at the first attempt. MIS inks 
printed a 
> bit more contrasty (seems even sharper), but after a small 
> amount of curve adjustments both prints were rather identical. 
> But MIS inks have a slight cooler tint.
> My Piezo inks never printed green, so I wouldn´t use this green  
> vs. neutral comparison. But my Piezo inks are warmer than the 
> MIS inks, that is obvious.

It sounds like there is a similarity in quality but a difference in 
color. This is good news! It would have been a shame if they had just 
duplicated the Piezo inks exactly. Something with a different tone 
adds another choice to the materials available to the end users. 

> I´m looking forward to getting more experiences.
> Main question - how will the prints look in some weeks??
> Is the ink as archival as Cone ink?
> I´m curious.

Very important questions and we have the experts in the group to 
hopefully provide some answers.

Martin
Martin