I was trying to avoid getting involved in this thread because it's sounding more and more like a series of sales pitches. Some of the information that is being bounced around is, from my experience and reading, not particularly illuminating. My fade tests showed only a very slight advantage to the blended inksets like the Cone and MIS neutralized carbon inksets over the RIP-controlled methods that used the least amount of separate colors to achieve the same hue. The advantage may have been so small as to be within the normal "noise" level of my tests. On the other hand, I have not tested these to the 30% fade end point Wilhelm uses. But to the extent I have been able to glean any information from my tests and reading, there is no magic in carbon that preserves the color pigments when they are mixed in. On the other hand, I initially thought the carbon under the faded colors might give it a slight edge in lightness fading, even if not in hue changes. The OEM K3 approaches will always lose to the dedicated B&W systems because the Epson OEM solutions use more color. Likewise the ABW will have a slight advantage to K3 RGB mode because it uses slightly less color than the ABW mode. With *good* carbon like the Epson MK and MIS Eboni MK, and the Epson and MIS LK, the more carbon to color, the better the lightfastness. This holds true in every fade test I've seen. Wilhelm gets the same pattern in his tests as I do. Not all carbon is very lightfast. In the watercolor field what they call "amorphous" carbon, for example, is not particularly lightfast. Graphite, on the other hand is extremely lightfast. All carbon is not the same. The MIS Eboni, Epson MK and Cone Museum K are very good forms of carbon and will consistently beat the mixes with color in them. Of the colors, the cyan is most lightfast, at least when it comes to light and temperatures within our usual indoor lighting situations. Cyan is not particularly tough when it comes to gas attack, and how tests are done can affect the fade rates. In normal display, the cyan will far outlast the magenta that is used in these mixes, whether the inks are separate or blended. I suspect we've all seen lots of cyan pictures in window displays. This is caused by the cyan being much tougher than the other colors. We obviously have some true believers in their favored approaches here, which is fine. I hope the new members of the forum are good at reading between the lines and seeing who is aligned with whom -- whether due to experience, type of printing environment, workshops, or whatever. All of the systems that are used by the regulars on this forum can produce excellent results ... but of course MY SOLUTIONS ARE THE BEST!! ;-) Paul www.PaulRoark.com
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Thoughts About K3 Archival Prints
2007-08-21 by Paul Roark
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