Digital BW, The Print

No the glossy stuff , it scratched too, I think it is the same  
undercoating. Better then the matte but still a bit touchy. Might  
depend on the inkset used.

Mark

On Sep 7, 2007, at 4:16 PM, David Whistance wrote:

> Aren't you thinking of the FB Matte paper?
>
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> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mark
> Savoia
> Sent: 07 September 2007 20:21
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Anyone try Harman Gloss FB AL?
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> He forgot to mention how easily it scratches.
> Mark
>
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> On Sep 7, 2007, at 3:14 PM, flyflightdeck wrote:
>
>> Heard some good things about it over at
>> largeformatphotography.info.Wondering if anyone in this group has
>> tried it.Here is the quote Jack Flesher wrote about it over there.
>>
>> "My friend Jim Collum called me a few days ago and said, "Jack, you
>> need to try this new paper now!"
>>
>> The paper is the new Harman Inkjet "Gloss FB AL." So I went to my
>> local shop, picked up a box yesterday and set to profiling it for my
>> Epson 3800.
>>
>> The first thing you notice is the paper's surface -- identical to
>> air-dried fiber-base silver, with a slight egg-shell finish and soft
>> gloss. Sweet. Next thing you notice is this paper even smells like
>> traditional silver paper. (Seriously!) Finally, it has a slightly  
>> warm
>> white base.
>>
>> This paper is thick and also swells when the ink hits it, so I needed
>> to set my paper thickness up a notch (4 on the 3800 driver) and
>> platten gap to "wide" to avoid head-strikes on the wet surface. Once
>> all that was settled I printed the profiling targets, let it dry down
>> over-night and built the profile this morning.
>>
>> I am now sitting here admiring my standard large paper evaluation
>> print -- a color test image (available for download at digital  
>> outback
>> photo), and a long tonal range B&W image, doubled up and printed
>> together on a single 13x19 sheet.
>>
>> As for B&W, in the black patches I can distinguish patch 4 (4/4/4  
>> rgb)
>> from 0 and 6, and in the white patches I can distinguish 253 from 255
>> and 252. (I can sense 254 is different from the surrounds, but can't
>> really "see" it as its own tone.) Anyway, this is incredible tonal
>> range, and of course is all present in the B&W image -- pure, deep
>> blacks with outstanding shadow detail all the way through to
>> delicately detailed highlights. Amazing.
>>
>> As for color, I was frankly surprised -- it is excellent too.  
>> There is
>> a specific image of strawberries in the color test print that
>> reproduce to the most delicious I've seen from any paper yet All  
>> other
>> colors are exceptionally well represented too, including a blue sky
>> gradient, foliage yellows and greens and a difficult metallic bronze.
>>
>> Now for the better news: There is NO gloss differential and NO  
>> visible
>> metamerism anywhere on the print!
>>
>> Lastly, the "AL" in the paper name stands for "alumina," a reference
>> to the fact there is aluminum in the substrate -- ostensibly it's
>> there to emulate the slight metallic "glow" present in a
>> silver-gelatin print. And yes, I saved the best news for last, they
>> accomplished that feat. There is indeed a subtle metallic glow that
>> adds traditional silver depth to the final print.
>>
>> This is amazing stuff folks; I have found my paper."
>>
>> More info here: http://www.harman-inkjet.com/pressroom/article.asp?
>> n=63
>>
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