Digital BW, The Print

Actually, I have gotten very good results with glossy and pearl
papers. Trouble is, it's just not the look I'm after. When I look at
my prints made on Han Fine Art Pearl, I admire its fine quality. But
when I pull out one of my of prints made with Epson dye on VFA, I
realize how much i preferred the look of the bottomless black against
the completely reflection-less surface. I just wish there were a
version of this with multi-channel grey inks.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "JensGerbitz"
<jensgerbitz@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
> 
> I know what you mean about printing on matte papers with pigment 
> inks... I'm still trying to get decent dmax and not having much luck 
> without losing almost all detail in the shadows _and_ getting blotchy 
> areas where I've upped the black in an attempt to get good saturation.  
> It's a bit of a struggle, but it by the sound of what some of the good 
> folks on this board are saying, it's definitely possible.
> 
> You mentioned that you've tried different papers: were they all matte? 
> Whenever I get über-frustrated with the results on matter paper (mostly 
> EEM since I've been going through it so quickly... anything else would 
> be prohibitively expensive!), I pull out the Eboni cartridge (MIS) out 
> of my 1280 or 220, replace it with PK and fire off a few glossies that 
> come out beautifully, even though they're pigment inks. I know enough 
> not to expect _that_ kind of "pop" on matte paper, but it does enough 
> to renew my faith in eventually achieving an image that is much better 
> than what I'm producing on matte now.
> 
> So if you haven't tried anything on glossy yet, give it a shot... 
> you'll need to substitute the photo black for the Ebony (if you're 
> using MIS inks).
> 
> Cheers,
> Jens
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "i_3d_c" 
> <ichristie@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > My first inkjet printer was the Epson 1270.
> > I scanned some of my old 4x5 negs and printed them on Archival Matte
> > paper. I fell completely in love with the results, which was a little
> > puzzling because I had read that the 1270 wasn't really that great for
> > B&W. I thought I'd like to get more serious about this B&W printing
> > thing so I bought an Epson r1800 and dedicated greyscale inks. And was
> > disappointed. After hours & hours of testing with different papers and
> > settings (and QTR) I just couldn't achieve the look I had fallen in
> > love with with the 1270. Long story short, pigment inks just can't
> > achieve the same d-max as dyes.
> > 
> > Assuming that I'm not interested in my prints lasting hundreds of
> > years  -- a couple of decades would be nice -- are there any printers
> > or 3rd party inksets that have greyscale dye inks?
> >
>