Digital BW, The Print

Thanks for the reply Jon.

As much as I would like to write the President, I'm on the other side 
of the 49th parallel.  In any case, I wish you much luck with this, 
for the sake of printers up here too.

Jens

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Cone" 
<jon@...> wrote:
>
> Jens,
> 
> The ruling only affects printers with on-carriage cartridges and 
these
> are 13" and smaller. The 3800 uses remote ink carts, but I do not
> think anyone has yet made a CIS or cartridge for that printer.
> 
> The best thing you can do besides writing the President which will 
be
> a pro-active feeling, is buying a supply of CIS systems. They too 
are
> subject to the ruling and you will want to act quick as supplies 
will
> run out. But hoarding cartridges is not a good idea. Switch to 
bottles
> as its more economical and will allow you to continue buying inks 
for
> a long time. Even a hoard of cartridges eventually runs out.
> 
> The sale of inks is not affected nor does it affect carts for large
> format printers (off-carriage). However, most large format 
printmakers
> use refillable carts anyway to reduce costs.
> 
> I think that refilling is also the best solution for the ecology.
> While the impact of b&w is small on the environment, the impact of
> color is huge. But any individual effort to not throw away a 
cartridge
> is a great effort as far as the environment is concerned. I live in
> Vermont and how we manage waste is very strict here.
> 
> The biggest impact will be on new desktop users who will never have
> the chance to try. Existing users will find their way or upgrade to
> larger formats.
> 
> It also does not affect our European customers who can continue to 
buy
> desktop cartridges from our European resellers. But Europe will not 
be
> allowed to sell into the USA, because USA does not have free-trade
> like the EU enjoys.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Jon Cone
> 
> PS  please write the President - you just never know....
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "JensGerbitz"
> <jensgerbitz@> wrote:
> >
> > Can someone clarify whether the 3800, or any 17" printer, would 
be 
> > considered desk-top, i.e. affected by this law?
> > 
> > I guess this means that people should stock up on cartridges 
asap... 
> > I have a 1280 and R220.
> > 
> > Also, I'm assuming that the sale of ink won't be affected 
directly.  
> > In the long run (as new desk top printers are introduced to 
market) 
> > it probably would be due to falling demand because of the lack of 
> > refillable cartridges.
> > 
> > This is not great news.
> > 
> > Jens
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" 
> > <deanwork2003@> wrote:
> > >
> > > There has also recently been a successful lawsuit against 
makers of
> > > carts cloned from HP and HP won. I'm not sure about Canon.
> > > 
> > > It seems to me, though I know little of the specifics of 
engineering
> > > these things, that what is needed is a totally unique ink 
delivery
> > > system for desktop units that does not infringe upon the 
patents 
> > held
> > > by these corporations. From a user persective it appears that 
3rd
> > > party ink manufacturers have depended on almost exact copies of
> > > Epson's chipped carts and hoped for the best. Even the cis 
units use
> > > Epson cloned carts in them. Now they will be highly motivated to
> > > create their own totally uniqe designs, possibly made here in 
the US
> > > to avoid the import fears that foreign companies certainly will
> > > respond to. If end users can fill their own from bulk inks it 
may 
> > end
> > > up being a postive thing for us consumers. Buying little 
quantities 
> > of
> > > ink in tiny carts is a rip off anyway in my opinion, regardess 
who
> > > fills them.
> > > 
> > > I'll be there will be a lot more court battles to come though. 
As of
> > > right now Epson has the small desktop suppliers on the run. I 
think 
> > we
> > > all knew this was going to happen eventually. Of course Bush is 
> > going
> > > to sign it, if he can read it. He might have to have Cheney 
read it 
> > to
> > > him and show him where to sign though.
> > > 
> > > john
> > >
> >
>