Digital BW, The Print

People using third party inks and carts in Epson large format  
printers has got to be such a small percentage considering the (10) 
thousands of printers they have out there, I am amazed that Epson  
even cares. Anyone know exact numbers? Of course we think the number  
is high because we are "bucking" the system.

Perhaps a poll of this group would have surprising results.
Mark

On Nov 2, 2007, at 3:13 PM, E Neilsen wrote:

> Then a clear winner will be the first company that markets a chip free
> printer. One that accepts whatever inks one wants to load and perhaps
> bundled with a profiling kit, say a ???,  See what kind of traction  
> it gains
> while Epson, and perhaps HP and Canon tag along, before the realize  
> they
> will be fighting a losing battle. If they want to act like we'll  
> all go
> along because we need to, the review mirror will get full awfully  
> fast for
> Epson et la.
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>
> Eric
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> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of  
> Frank Jay
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:07 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson's court victory
>
>
>
> Would not the sudden unavailabilty of carts, lead to more people  
> buying in
> bulk, chip setters and CIS systems so the revenue lost from cart  
> sales will
> be made up sales of the mentioned items. I imagine someone from the  
> 3rd
> party ink sales industry will have to weigh in on this.
>
> Also, have not other manufacturers, of software, music, clothing  
> and watches
> sued to have the importation of pirated copyrighted and patented items
> banned. If this action is to protect epson's patented delivery  
> systems it is
> their right to protect their investments .We do not like people  
> using our
> copyrighted materials without permisson nor do any artists. But, I  
> have
> great faith in American and Chinese ingenuity. Someone will come up  
> with a
> way and alter the basic structure of the cart so it falls outside  
> of the
> law's jurisdiction. Personally, I mailed out the letter and email  
> today to
> the president, and my congressment as well as the two senators in  
> NJ. This
> was done snail mail and email.
> Frank in NJ
>
> Tyler Boley <tyler@tylerboley. <mailto:tyler%40tylerboley.com> com>  
> wrote:
> My intention with the initial post was to get the information out
> there, this is huge for some of us, and I hoped that would result in
> others interested in keeping this form of printing alive might do the
> letter writing or whatever they can. I have no idea where or not it
> will help, it certainly can't hurt. Thanks to Paul and other we now
> have more information on how best to be affective.
> I have long ranted there should be a secondary line of printers for us
> that are unchipped and priced so their viability does not depend on
> ink sales. Of course that won't happen at the desktop level.
>
> But more directly, here's how it "may" impact bulk ink availability.
> It's safe to assume that a huge part of income for these small
> companies is sales of carts. One can imagine that those sales are a
> larger amount than their total margin.
> A sudden end to cart sales may mean a sudden start to debt
> accumulation for them.
> Therefore, without a way to quickly adapt, downsize, or find another
> high volume product to quickly take it's place, the companies
> themselves may bag it entirely, and therefore no more ink...
>
> All the peripheral discussion about politics etc, while no doubt
> sincere, should not deflect us from sitting down and writing the
> letters. That's the deal.
> Then... come what may... we did something rather than nothing.
> Tyler
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhit
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@...> wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> Assuming that the CIS continues to work properly, will
>>> my ability to purchase inks be affected by this lawsuit?
>>
>> I don't believe Epson will be able to stop third party bulk ink  
>> sales.
>>
>> Paul
>> www.PaulRoark.com
>>
>
> "The luckiest dogs are those with clipped tails....they're the ones  
> who
> won't be chasing their own arses."
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