Paul, I didnt say that it cant do it. What I said was that it does a horrible job of doing it. Sure it works, on hundreds of images, even thousands of images. But as the data base increases in size it fails. It cant handle moving files around very well, although it shows that it can allow for that. Please dont confuse what it says or allows with doing well. It internally changed the file names of a bunch of my NEF files when I used it to move them from point A to point B from within LR. No it didnt erase them, but I did need to go back remove the folders from LR and re import them to fix the problem. This took hours and hours to fix. It also shook my confidence in the programs ability to track files. Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 http://e.neilsen.home.att.net http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype ejprinter _____ From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Grant Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:37 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Lightroom? Eric, I believe from 1.1 on Cataloging is an option. I use it all the time on various portable drives. Paul On 11/20/07 2:04 PM, "E Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@worldnet <mailto:e.neilsen2%40worldnet.att.net> .att.net> wrote: > > > > > While there are many nice things about LR, there are also some MAJOR > disappointments. It may have become more stable with 1.3, but 1.2 was an > unstable beast. It has limitations, and not to be over looked one, for > cataloging an archive. If you have many large files that you¹d like to keep > track of it may leave you wanting. As a processing tool it is very nice. As > a data management/digital asset management tool I believe it has a long way > to go. I continue to use it, though not much for B&W conversion as I use > Real Grain to do much of that. > > Eric Neilsen Photo > > 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 > > Dallas, TX 75226 > > 214 827-8301 > > http://ericneilsenp <http://ericneilsenphotography.com> hotography.com > > SKype ejprinter > > _____ > > From: DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of James > Haney > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:38 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhit <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> eThePrint@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Adobe Lightroom? > > My opinion of Lightroom: > > I have totally changed my workflow with Lightroom at the center. > > Importing: > I use it to import my images from my DF cards. > In one step: > Copy as DNG to a main folder defined for the current year > Lightroom automatically creates a folder here named however you > want, but I have it make a folder named YYYY-MM-DD > (Lightroom automatically determines the correct entries for these > date values.) > Renames in coming files using capture date and unique ID > (you can define this a million different ways to suit your > purposes as user-defined presets) > Make a backup copy to a server directory (or another drive etc.) > Apply a basic set of values as a good baseline > I include copyright, date, my name, address, phone, web address, etc. > Batch apply and embed meta-data and keywords > I quick-tag using the subject of the shoot or anything that > applies to the whole shoot > At this point they are represented in the Lightroom database as a > Folder > > Reviewing: > I move through the shoot either promoting or demoting individual > images. (Flags) > (Keyboard command to batch-delete demoted images) > Multiple, powerful compare modes help select the best images > > Rough edit, visualization > At this point, I use one of the most powerful tools of the system, I > create VIrtual Copies of the images I want to convert to black and > white. > A virtual copy is a set of meta-data that points to the original > image source data, but filters it through a separate set of values. > This Virtual Copy I open in the Develop module where I convert it > to Black and White, apply sharpening, cropping, rotation, and a > million other options. - This Virtual copy is not a duplicate of the > source image, it is just a set of XML data that specifies how to > process the file. each virtual copy takes up about 32k of space and > there is no limit to how many you have. > > I put the Virtual Copies for the project into a Lightroom Collection. > This is just a shopping basket of sorts that allows you to group a > set of images (or Virtual Copies) into a manageable and meaningful set. > > Batch export for review > Export rough edited images as jpegs (or any other format) if I need > to show them to clients or to post on the web. Lightroom has some > absolutely amazing Web export modules. > > Production > I use the tools in the Lightroom Develop module to do all of my > global color and tone control. > High light and shadow point setting (Levels) > Basic tone curves > B&W conversion > Capture sharpening > This is done with a very critical eye. The tools in this module are > basically identical to those in Adobe Camera Raw, but I think work > better and are far more easily accomplished in the context of the > Lightroom interface. > > Export to Photoshop > Every tool has its purpose and its limits. > Even though you can do cloning in Lightroom, it is only useful for > very basic edits. > I do all local, regional or pixel based editing in Photoshop. > > I control-click on the image in LR and choose "Edit with Photoshop" > This presents me with a dialog box where I choose "Edit a Copy with > Lightroom adjustments", "16 bit TIFF" and "Stack with Original" > You end up with a TIFF image in the same folder as the source > image. You can specify how you want LR to name files that it creates. > I append "_v01" to the end of the name. > The file opens as an RGB TIFF file in PS. (If your image was > converted to pure black and white in LR then Red, Green, and Blue > values are all identical. conversion to Greyscale will not change the > tone of the images) Discussion of LR split toning is another discussion) > All of your LR adjustments have been applied to this image, so it > will look just like it did in LR. > I created a Photoshop action that: > Converts to Greyscale > Creates some basic curve layers that I always use with the names I > want them to have > Now I am off to the races! > > In PS I have way more control of the image, I can softproof (not > available in LR), etc. > > When you save the file and go back to LR you will find a new image in > the folder, and collection you were in before. This is the TIFF file > you created. > > You can re-open it from LR with "Edit with Photoshop" and choose > instead "Edit Original." This will launch the TIFF version. > > Interestingly, you can make additional edits using Lightroom Develop > tools on the B&W TIF file. This gets a little strange and complicated > to understand but basically, it just works! > > In previous version of Lightroom I could not get QuadTone RIP to > print properly. However, suddenly, with version 1.3, I use the QTR- > RGB profile and I can use the truly outstanding Print module of > Lightroom to print individual files, groups of images, crop on the > fly without changing the image in Photoshop, without even opening the > file in Photoshop. > > If I sound like a true believer, I am. > > I spend so much more of my time editing and producing images and far, > far less time managing files, creating scripts, investigating various > tools and re-inventing my process every 2 months to incorporate an > change in technology. > > In my portrait work, I used to spend 2 hours getting a batch of > images imported, renamed, in iView, tagged with meta-data, roughly > edited to make them presentable and exported to the software I use > for client presentation and editing. I used three Applescripts, a > shareware program and iView Media Pro. Now this is all done in about > 15 minutes, with one program. > > I have used all of the RGB-B&W conversion utilities out there and > there is nothing that is any better than the tools in LR in my > opinion. But that is just the tip of the iceberg. > > Besides purchasing Photoshop, Lightroom is the best money I have ever > spent on software. > > my 40¢ > > James Haney > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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RE: [Digital BW] Adobe Lightroom?
2007-11-21 by Eric Neilsen