Hello Frank, >What does one do if one wants to print neutral prints and wants to >have them keep the tone. Should they be printed on papers with no >OBA's, acid etc, and just live with the warmer tone of the >non-whitened paper or is there an alternative. There is a widely accepted assumption that any paper with OBAs is going to yellow. But experience shows that that is not necessarily true. There are different kinds of OBAs, they are applied in different ways and in different amounts according to formulas that paper makers don't divulge. There's a huge amount we don't know, so we have to judge each paper individually. Two of the most popular and best dmax matte papers, HPR and VFA, have OBAs. Hahnemuhle has stated that HPR has just a tiny amount of OBAs in the coating to ensure uniformity across batches (or something to that effect). I've never seen any OBA data about VFA. Technically HPR has OBAs, though in miniscule amounts. Should that paper be judged the same as one with greater amounts? I did some research on this a couple of years ago (please see the the OBA part of article #5 at the link below for details). Paper makers and vendors told me that they feel the OBA issue is overblown. Diana York of Hawk Mtn papers said their paper fibers are white to begin with, so any OBA "burn off" doesn't result in yellowing, only a slight lessening of brightness. My own tests with Condor BW, one of their bright white papers, has borne this out. Prints that have lain around unprotected for several years, some getting bright daylight and/or fluorescent light exposure, look only slightly less bright next to a new sheet, and no less white. Same for HPR and VFA prints and many others I've tested over the past 5+ years. EEM is the only paper I've experience any real yellowing with. I've never seen any hard test data saying that HPR or VFA yellowed by X amount over Y time with Z amount of exposure, etc. From my reading it seems they are more likely to yellow from exposure to chemical fumes than anything else. It's possible they do yellow slightly over a long period of time, I'm not saying they don't. But HPR has been in use for a long time, and during the almost 6 years I've been involved in this I have never once seen a print with, heard an actual complaint of, or read scientific evidence of OBA-related yellowing. A question I have is why use them if they're in such small amounts as to make almost no visible difference when they burn off? I suspect the answer is marketing realities: without them their paper would look dull next to their competitors. Most people comparing samples would choose the brighter paper and they'd lose market share. Also, as H. stated, they want uniformity across different production batches. Just think what kind of reviews HPR would get if one batch looked different from another. Over time the prints change ever so slightly and slowly and nobody ever notices. That's just a guess, but I bet it's not far from the truth. Bottom line is we don't know what kind or how much OBAs are in any paper. If this bothers you then you'll just have to avoid using OBA papers (but you'll miss out on some of the best). Not all non-OBA papers are "natural" colored. In article #5 at the link below have a look at the Innova non-OBA papers. Their color is very much like HPR and VFA, somewhere between pure white and "natural", really beautiful papers (but less dmax unfortunately). >Also, does this yellowing happen with lustre papers or just with >mattes. I have little experience with the glossy papers so I can't comment. My feeling though is that the same principles apply: judge each paper individually. If a paper has OBAs then look for real evidence of yellowing (hard data, user reports, whatever) and base your decision on that. I use HPR, VFA, Condor BW and others with confidence because they are widely used, have been around a long time, and I've yet to find any evidence of their yellowing. (also please see my similar OBA post of July 6, 2007) Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
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Re: [Digital BW] Wilhelm Tests (was archival framing)
2008-01-03 by Clayton Jones
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