Digital BW, The Print

Frank,

I don't know about the MIS ink. I would write down part numbers from the MIS site. Go by the part numbers. You need to know this anyway. You will want numbers for the Eboni and UT matt so you can be sure which is which. I'm still using the old quadtone black and it's dated but not bad. When I finish that off, I'll be going BO eboni for the 1270.

You can examine the top of the black cart and see the indent for the fill hole under the "decal". With the 640, I covered the fill hole. With the 1270, I leave it not air tight.

gar

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On 2/5/08 at 6:05 PM frankbickelmeyer wrote:

>Gary,
>thank you again!
>Then i will try out this method to refill. How big should the hole be 
>on top of the cart? just as big enough for the needle of the syringe 
>i guess? Should i seal the hole then with a tape? And can anybody 
>please answer my question if the MIS Ultratone MatteBlack (which i 
>can buy here in germany in bottles) is the same as the MIS Eboni?
>
>Frank
>
>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Weaver" 
><garww@...> wrote:
>>
>> Ya!!
>> 
>> I would think that the place that has bulk ink would have a syringe.
>> 
>> I place the cart on a surface designed to absorb spills.
>> 
>> I poke a hole through the epson film on top.
>> 
>> load syringe and slowly transfer ink to cart.
>> 
>> I use the tap/rap method to settle ink and disloge air bubbles. I 
>rap the ink exit flat against the work surface. I look for 
>little "kiss" imprints on the work surface to show that ink is 
>flowing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> gar
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>> On 2/5/08 at 7:38 AM frankbickelmeyer wrote:
>> 
>> >Gary,
>> >thats pretty cool! But no i don´t have any stuff to refill carts. 
>> >What will i need therefor? I haven´t refill any carts at all so 
>how 
>> >does it work? I can order the Ultratone ink in 100ml Bottles here 
>and 
>> >a Syringe with a needle too.
>> >
>> >--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Weaver" 
>> ><garww@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yes!!
>> >> 
>> >> It would be nice to have a clean cart, but I didn't blink an 
>> >eyelash.
>> >> 
>> >> Since the process involves switching from dye ink to pigment 
>ink, 
>> >you have to make sure the old substance is not allowed to interact 
>> >with the new ink.
>> >> 
>> >> As soon as my dye ink printed very light, I filled it with 
>pigment 
>> >and printed huge amounts of black to make sure it was flowing 
>freely. 
>> >I also freely saturated the cart. well nipple with vinegar and/or 
>> >window ammonia.
>> >> 
>> >> Do you have the refill stuff from a old refill kit?
>> >> 
>> >> gar
>> >> 
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>> >> On 2/4/08 at 7:00 PM frankbickelmeyer wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >Does that mean i could try to fill the original epson black 
>> >catridge 
>> >> >with the MIS black?
>> >> >And again my question is Ultratone MatteBlack (which i can buy 
>> >here 
>> >> >in germany in bottles) the same ink as the MIS Eboni?
>> >> >
>> >> >--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Gary 
>Weaver" 
>> >> ><garww@> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Frank,
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> When I got my 1270, I ran the black 'til it ran out, and 
>then, 
>> >> >filled the cart with MIS black.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> gar
>> >> >> 
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>> >> >> On 2/4/08 at 2:52 PM frankbickelmeyer wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> >As i´ve found out in the meantime i can order Ultratone 
>> >MatteBlack-
>> >> >> >ink in bottles from a local dealer here in germany. Is that 
>the 
>> >> >same 
>> >> >> >as MIS Eboni?
>> >> >> >But the problem indeed is that i cant find empty cartridges 
>for 
>> >my 
>> >> >> >Epson 1200.
>> >> >> >When anybody could help i really would appreciate this.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >--- In 
>> >DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "finnkrogvig" 
>> >> >> ><reg@> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Take a look at www.inksupply.com for "MIS" inks (Eboni) 
>and 
>> >> >> >> www.inkjetmall.com for Piezography K7. If you plan to 
>print 
>> >BO 
>> >> >only 
>> >> >> >> the Piezography K7 MPS selenium black might have an 
>advantage 
>> >> >> >because 
>> >> >> >> it goes on both matte and glossy papers. This is not 
>possible 
>> >> >with 
>> >> >> >> Eboni as far as I know - check it.
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> It might be a little difficult to get empty carts made for 
>> >> >> >refilling 
>> >> >> >> from USA (Inksupply) because of some legal issues Epson is 
>> >> >running. 
>> >> >> >> Somebody else have to help find other sources for empty 
>> >> >refillable 
>> >> >> >> carts.
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> FinnK 
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
>> >> >> >> "frankbickelmeyer" <bickelmeyer@> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Thank you for your advice!
>> >> >> >> > But can anybody tell me where to order the Eboni Ink? I 
>> >live 
>> >> >in 
>> >> >> >> > germany so it would be fine if anybody can tell me if 
>here 
>> >is 
>> >> >a 
>> >> >> >> > locakldealer for the "right stuff". Is it in cartriges 
>or 
>> >in 
>> >> >> >> Bottles? 
>> >> >> >> > If in Bottles, do i nee an empty original epson cartrige?
>> >> >> >> > Thank you again and regards,
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > Frank
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > --- In 
>> >> >DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "dlruckus" 
>> >> >> >> > <dlruckus@> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > --- In 
>> >> >DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton 
>> >> >> >> Jones"
>> >> >> >> > > <cj@> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> >> > > 
>> >> >> >> > > > I agree with FinnK.  Buying the bulk inks is so 
>> >> >inexpensive 
>> >> >> >> > there's no
>> >> >> >> > > > reason not to use a good pigment ink.  The Piezo 
>matte 
>> >> >black 
>> >> >> >or 
>> >> >> >> > Eboni
>> >> >> >> > > > from MIS will both do great.  I think in a 1200 you 
>can 
>> >> >use 
>> >> >> >> just 
>> >> >> >> > about
>> >> >> >> > > > anything - someone else maybe will step in here with 
>> >more 
>> >> >on 
>> >> >> >> > that...
>> >> >> >> > > > 
>> >> >> >> > > 
>> >> >> >> > > Frank, I'd recommend your using Eboni and trying your 
>BO 
>> >> >> >prints. 
>> >> >> >> > Once
>> >> >> >> > > you have that working you could go on to Paul's 3MK 
>> >and/or 
>> >> >the 
>> >> >> >> Eboni
>> >> >> >> > > hex or quad set he's come up with. You don't have to 
>> >change 
>> >> >> >> anything
>> >> >> >> > > but the one ink to start. You would want to remove all 
>of 
>> >> >the 
>> >> >> >> other
>> >> >> >> > > inks and substitute cleaning solution for  them./// DO 
>be 
>> >> >> >> > sure,repeat
>> >> >> >> > > sure to fully flush your machine  with a cleaning 
>> >solution 
>> >> >> >before
>> >> >> >> > > running any of the recent inks like Eboni in it. That 
>> >> >includes
>> >> >> >> > > cleaning the cap station thoroughly as well. The dyes 
>are 
>> >> >> >> > incompatible
>> >> >> >> > > with Eboni.///
>> >> >> >> > > 
>> >> >> >> > > Clayton is right. The 1200 will run nearly anything if 
>> >> >treated 
>> >> >> >> > properly.
>> >> >> >> > > 
>> >> >> >> > > Regards
>> >> >> >> > > Duane
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