Digital BW, The Print

No argument. The busy "pro" zones his proofs and lets the technicans do their magic. He's got better things to do.

Like walk around the park with the 35 as in the movie Blow Up  :  )

gar.

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On 2/10/08 at 6:00 PM Brad Smith wrote:

>For whatever it is worth.....
>I knew the "producer" for a highly successful Los Angeles commercial  
>photographer a number of years ago.  The assistants would light the  
>shot, determine proper exposure through polaroids, "lock down" the  
>exposure on the camera then hand it to the photograher.  He'd then  
>direct the models, compose, manually focus and expose, maybe have the  
>lighting revised between sequences, then do the same again.  The film  
>was sent to a commercial lab and they got it back, generally the next  
>day.  Chosen images went to the client.
>
>So how was this highly successful, nationally famous commercial  
>photographer a "technician"?   His brilliance was in conceiving the  
>shots, getting the best from his models, composing and focus.  I see  
>nothing in what he personally did that I'd call technical.  It was  
>entirely artistic.
>
>I think that the technical side of photography then, and now, is 95%  
>in print making.....old darkroom or new image processing/printing.
>Brad
>
>On Feb 10, 2008, at 4:46 PM, Gary Weaver wrote:
>
>> Ha!!!
>>
>> The Scribe was a craftsman, and sure, art could play a part. But in  
>> all printing, it's always been a craft. The primary effort is to  
>> reproduce faithfully and art has nothing to do with that.
>>
>> Don't tell printers that printing isn't a craft. And I'm proud to  
>> learn the old craft. I've inked up all sorts of stuff.
>>
>> gar
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>> On 2/10/08 at 7:34 PM Robert W Shearer wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, the best analysis so far. This seems to be a bit of a touchy  
>>> subject.
>>> This looks like a new addition to the Windows/Apple, Nikon/Canon,  
>>> Life v
>>> Death hardcore issues. Did not know that I was going there!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of  
>>> Gary
>>> Weaver
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:59 PM
>>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson Exhibition Fiber - A Review
>>>
>>> I half disagree. Printing is a craft. Creating the image is the art.
>>>
>>> gar
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>>> On 2/10/08 at 2:10 PM CorrPro96@... wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have to disagree.
>>>> Photography has always been about the craft first, the art second  
>>>> and the
>>>
>>>> technical in terms of feasibility... whether or not it is possible.
>>>> Digital has provided the technology that has enabled the craft  
>>>> and the art
>>>>
>>>> to reach into areas beyond photography, using the photographic  
>>>> processes.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Massie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 2/10/2008 1:58:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> nemophoto@earthlink.net writes:
>>>>
>>>> .  Photography
>>>> has always been about the technical, we just never called it  that,
>>>> because computers weren't  involved.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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