Digital BW, The Print

Thanks, Jerry,

I'm using EZ color 2.0 The profiles are pretty good in color, but I 
can see some color casts in my B&W prints. So guess I do need a 
quadtone setup and dedicate my 1270 to B&W printing. I'll probably 
need to get a new 1280 for color work. Actually I'm in a similar 
situation as Paul B, the old time newbee guy. I do fine art portraits 
and have been doing convential darkroon work for years. I'm using a 
new Polaroid 120 scanner and eventually want to do larger size 
prints, up to 24" width. So I'm eyeing something in the Epson 7000 
range.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Hi Bruce,
> 
> Without a printer profile, you will probably not ever get 
satisfactory
> prints from a color inkset. With a profile, I get excellent black 
and
> white photos from my MIS and Generations color inks. But the overall
> quality for a black and white prints seems to be better with Quad 
or Hex
> inks. I love the MIS hextone inks and Paul's curves on several 
papers.
> His curves aren't nearly as fussy as to what paper you use. If your
> print is perfect on Epson Archival matte for instance, and you want 
to
> print the same print on Eclipse Satine, Just use a gamma correction 
in a
> levels adjustment curve from 100 to 85. Label that curve and every 
time
> you use eclipse paper, just apply that adjustment. For Legion Photo
> matte paper, I move the gamma slider to 90. This system works great 
for
> me. Each paper can have its' own curve. Some papers will print the 
same
> as others, you'll have to make tests. 
> 
> Before you do a lot, I'd sample a lot of different papers and 
choose the
> 3 or 4 you like best and then for about 6 months, just use them and 
get
> to know them. My favorites are Epson Archival Matte, Epson 
Watercolor,
> Photo Matte, and Eclipse. For large prints I like Royal Riviera, 
but as
> it is heavily textured, it works best on the larger sizes. It prints
> very sharp for a heavily textured paper.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> photo734 wrote:
> > 
> > Jerry,
> > Thanks for the heads up. I had been considering Piezo for some 
time.
> > I'm doing duotones on my 1270 with standard Epson inks. MIS VS 
sounds
> > like the good way to go.  I have a friend who recdently spent over
> > $1000 for the Piezo setup, not counting the printer, and has had
> > nothing but trouble from the get go!  Plus, demanding $80 for a 4 
oz.
> > bottle of ink is gouging and robbing a captive group.
> > 
> > BTW, Anyone using Epson Color Life Paper for B&W? I like the 
looks of
> > the paper, and it workks great for color, but I can't seem to get 
a
> > decent B&W print without a strong mostly magenta color cast, Even
> > with Epson new downloadable profile for that paper.
> > 
> > Bruce McElhaney (ex-lurker)
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson
> > <jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> > > I was taken off the black and white piezo list for mentioning 
MIS VM
> > > inks once too often. I started quad printing with the piezo 
system.
> > Paid
> > > hundreds of dollars for it. I was one of the first to use it. 
There
> > were
> > > terrible bugs in the first version of the software that 
resulted in
> > my
> > > wasting hundreds of dollars in ink and paper before the problems
> > (the
> > > dreaded screen pattern all over the prints, and the horizontal
> > > stripes... no image, just stripes.) and the banding, the prints
> > weren't
> > > square, etc. It was awful.
> > >
> > > When you're first starting out there will be all kinds of 
problems,
> > I
> > > know that, but I was wasting way too much ink and paper to be a
> > happy
> > > camper. And those brown tones...
> > > Never liked them. So when Paul Roark and MIS came out with 
curves
> > and
> > > coldtone inks I jumped to that system and never looked back. I 
would
> > > never pay $80 for a 4 ounce bottle of ink again. You can get 
every
> > bit
> > > as high quality with Paul's curves and VM inks as you can with 
the
> > Piezo system.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > 
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