Digital BW, The Print

The knowledge that makes PS useful come from making prints in the darkroom,
but tool required in the digital age is PS. And the most useful of those is
PS CS3 extended. Knowledge without the tool, gets one no where and a less
useful tool gets one less further down the path. I am fully aware of
hardship of dollars, but here the ugly truth of progress is PS CS3. While it
is true that much can be done with elements, the full version really allows
one to explore creative thought rather than just "make it right".

There are other programs that might work, but at a certain level, support
and help go a long way toward completion of an idea and unlocking of the
creative impulse.   


Eric

Eric Neilsen Photography
4101 Commerce Street
Suite 9
Dallas, TX 75226
http://e.neilsen.home.att.net
http://ericneilsenphotography.com
Skype ejprinter

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary
> Weaver
> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:18 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: What Software to Use
> 
> Actually, the knowledge to use PS is what's important.
> 
> So, it's a matter of applying knowledge. I can dodge and burn at a
> fraction of the cost on my pII-450  :  )
> 
> gar
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> On 3/1/08 at 3:05 PM Eric Neilsen wrote:
> 
> >If you ever?  When does one NOT continue to manipulate an image after
> >capture except after it is framed or some other final step? The only
> images
> >of mine that I don't do dodge, burn, etc are those table top set ups that
> >I've shot in studio where lighting is absolutely controlled. That also
> >occasionally hold true for portraiture, but I prefer to give the subject
> >some room to roam in the frame and finish up later. Since I do all the
> >printing I don't, or hardly ever, hand it of for someone else to print.
> >
> >
> >
> >A good editing program like PS is required at the very least with the
> >elements package.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Eric Neilsen Photography
> >
> >4101 Commerce Street
> >
> >Suite 9
> >
> >Dallas, TX 75226
> >
> >http://e.neilsen.home.att.net
> >
> >http://ericneilsenphotography.com
> >
> >Skype ejprinter
> >
> >  _____
> >
> >From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> >[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> >danielstaver
> >Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:39 PM
> >To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Digital BW] Re: What Software to Use
> >
> >
> >
> >> I'm mainly going to do IR (got a D70 converted dedicated IR camera).
> >> Can I use LightRoom or do I need to go all the way with PhotoShop?
> >> Opinions? Insights? Experiences? Guidance? Your help will be
> >> appreciated !
> >
> >I use both. Lightroom is fantastic for organizing large amounts of
> >images. It also supports most global adjustments you'd normally want
> >to do on an image. But if you ever find yourself wanting to apply
> >something selectively to parts of the image, use layers, brushes, or
> >use a photoshop plugin, you'll need Photoshop. Do check out Photoshop
> >Elements. I haven't tried it myself, but people say it's very good and
> >supports many of the same operations as Photoshop.
> >
> >Adobe has fully functional 30 day trials of both available for
> >download. I recommend trying both.
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