Digital BW, The Print

No argument. But I and many others have no desire to become imaging junkies. I could be playing Pong or FreeCell  :  )

gar

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On 3/1/08 at 9:47 PM Eric Neilsen wrote:

>The knowledge that makes PS useful come from making prints in the
>darkroom,
>but tool required in the digital age is PS. And the most useful of those is
>PS CS3 extended. Knowledge without the tool, gets one no where and a less
>useful tool gets one less further down the path. I am fully aware of
>hardship of dollars, but here the ugly truth of progress is PS CS3. While
>it
>is true that much can be done with elements, the full version really allows
>one to explore creative thought rather than just "make it right".
>
>There are other programs that might work, but at a certain level, support
>and help go a long way toward completion of an idea and unlocking of the
>creative impulse.   
>
>
>Eric
>
>Eric Neilsen Photography
>4101 Commerce Street
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary
>> Weaver
>> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:18 PM
>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: What Software to Use
>> 
>> Actually, the knowledge to use PS is what's important.
>> 
>> So, it's a matter of applying knowledge. I can dodge and burn at a
>> fraction of the cost on my pII-450  :  )
>> 
>> gar
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>> On 3/1/08 at 3:05 PM Eric Neilsen wrote:
>> 
>> >If you ever?  When does one NOT continue to manipulate an image after
>> >capture except after it is framed or some other final step? The only
>> images
>> >of mine that I don't do dodge, burn, etc are those table top set ups
>that
>> >I've shot in studio where lighting is absolutely controlled. That also
>> >occasionally hold true for portraiture, but I prefer to give the subject
>> >some room to roam in the frame and finish up later. Since I do all the
>> >printing I don't, or hardly ever, hand it of for someone else to print.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >A good editing program like PS is required at the very least with the
>> >elements package.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Eric Neilsen Photography
>> >
>> >4101 Commerce Street
>> >
>> >Suite 9
>> >
>> >Dallas, TX 75226
>> >
>> >http://e.neilsen.home.att.net
>> >
>> >http://ericneilsenphotography.com
>> >
>> >Skype ejprinter
>> >
>> >  _____
>> >
>> >From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> >[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>> >danielstaver
>> >Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:39 PM
>> >To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>> >Subject: [Digital BW] Re: What Software to Use
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> I'm mainly going to do IR (got a D70 converted dedicated IR camera).
>> >> Can I use LightRoom or do I need to go all the way with PhotoShop?
>> >> Opinions? Insights? Experiences? Guidance? Your help will be
>> >> appreciated !
>> >
>> >I use both. Lightroom is fantastic for organizing large amounts of
>> >images. It also supports most global adjustments you'd normally want
>> >to do on an image. But if you ever find yourself wanting to apply
>> >something selectively to parts of the image, use layers, brushes, or
>> >use a photoshop plugin, you'll need Photoshop. Do check out Photoshop
>> >Elements. I haven't tried it myself, but people say it's very good and
>> >supports many of the same operations as Photoshop.
>> >
>> >Adobe has fully functional 30 day trials of both available for
>> >download. I recommend trying both.
>> >
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