Digital BW, The Print

Thanks Alistair, I've seen that review. While very comprehensive, what
I liked about the macuser one is that it compares the current (as of
Jan 2008) competition in that class and it actually gave me a clear
indication as to which printer the reviewer thought is best for b/w
from the bunch. Most other reviews pretty much tell you that they are
all good in their own way, which I'm sure it's true as it's all
subjective :).

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Alistair Owens"
<owens@...> wrote:
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> This site will, I imagine, give a more professional and subjective
review
> than can be expected from Macuser.
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> http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/printers_page.htm
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> regards
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> Alistair Owens 
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> owens@...
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> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard
> Sintchak
> Sent: 21 March 2008 4:26 p.m.
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Need help choosing printer solution
(R2400 vs
> PIXMA Pro 9500 vs 3-MK)
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> >>>>Macuser.co.uk put the 9500 "head, shoulders,
> > knees and toes" above the other same class printers (R2400 & HP
> > B9180) - http://www.macuser.co.uk/macuser/labs/151248. This
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> I cannot find this review of the 9500 you mention. On that site under
> Reviews and Printers the only Canon listed is the 2500....
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> On 3/17/08, Robert <rczire@... <mailto:rczire%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
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> > Thanks to both you and Alistair for responding.
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> > My thoughts were that if I were to go with the R2400 or Canon 9500, I
> > would use the OEM inks. Macuser.co.uk put the 9500 "head, shoulders,
> > knees and toes" above the other same class printers (R2400 & HP
> > B9180) - http://www.macuser.co.uk/macuser/labs/151248. This is one of
> > the reviews that nodged me towards the Canon, plus it comes with some
> > cool software. By the same token the US based macuser if I recall,
> > rated the R2400 on top. I understand now that the best way for me to
> > choose is to purchase both, compare prints myself then return
> > whichever I like less.
> >
> > However. Since so many out there have had great results with 3rd
> > party inks, I'm contemplating on giving it another try with a Canon
> > 1800. This brings me to another fork, choosing the ink (MIS vs
> > Piezo). If anyone has some tips I'd be greatful. I normally print on
> > matte papers.
> >
> > Lastly, with the risk of annoying everyone, could anyone give me an
> > idea on how do prints printed with current 3rd party ink compare with
> > prints made with one of these newer printers with multi-channel black?
> > Thanks everyone for your help.
> >
> > Robert.
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "Robert Gaunt"
> >
> > <rh.gaunt@> wrote:
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> > > I would choose the Epson R2400 but qualify that by saying I have
> > not seen prints from the
> > > Canon. My reasons are as follows - the Epson's 3 black inks will
> > most likely produce a
> > > better B&W print and more important you can run QuadToneRIP with
> > the Epson. I am using
> > > an Epson 2200 (2 black inks). B&W prints with the Epson driver
> > were lousy until I got QTR
> > > which transformed the prints to really great (not just my opinion,
> > got 2nd place B&W print
> > > in the New England Camera Club Council competition recently). I
> > also have used the
> > > R2400 at Santa Fe Workshops for B&Ws, just using the Epson software
> > (no QTR) and the
> > > prints were very good. Ditto that with the equivalent HP printers
> > SFW now has.
> > >
> > > My digital SLR is a Canon 20D which I'm very happy with, so I have
> > nothing against Canon.
> > > Hope the above info is helpful, if not quite what you asked.
> > >
> > > Walk in Beauty, Bob Gaunt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , "Robert"
> > <rczire@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to ask for your feedback on choosing a B/W printer.
> > > >
> > > > Background: I have purchased a refurbished 1280 from Epson over a
> > > > year ago, with UT2 inks from MIS. This was my first attempt to
> > making
> > > > the leap from darkroom to digital printing. Unfortunately I was
> > never
> > > > able to make this solution work, I constantly got lines across my
> > > > prints, but only with the MIS inks, not the stock Epson ones. I'm
> > not
> > > > faulting the ink, maybe it was my refurb'ed printer. But after
> > > > countless hours of research and troubleshooting (removing pizza
> > > > wheels, etc) I've given up in dissapointment. I should say that I
> > > > would only print maybe once a week to a few times per month.
> > > >
> > > > I am now on a new quest, this time I thought I won't cut corners
> > with
> > > > refurbished printers, etc, so I've been looking at the Epson
> > R2400
> > > > and the Canon PIXMA Pro 9500. Not because I necessarily need an
> > A3
> > > > printer, but because smaller ones don't come equipped with
> > separate
> > > > grey cartridge. With current rebates they can be had for under
> > $600.
> > > > After many hours of reading reviews, I am leaning towards the
> > 9500 as
> > > > that seems to have better d-max (and the fact that I'm a EOS D30
> > > > user). Though the Epson has 3 black/grey inks vs only 2 for the
> > Canon.
> > > >
> > > > So my questions are:
> > > > 1. has anyone compared prints from these two printers (R2400 &
> > PIXMA
> > > > Pro 9500), or has any feedback on choosing one vs the other?
> > > >
> > > > 2. has anyone compared print quality between one of the above
> > > > printers, and Roark's workflow with the Epson 800/1800?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Robert.
> > > >
> > >
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