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Re: [Digital BW] another interesting digital output comparison- ink and silver

2009-04-07 by Tom Baker

I'm really into 'what the print looks like on the wall'.  I view all of this other 'investigation' as exercises in science, curiosity, sales, or all of the above.  We can use decent science, but if the science is correct and the print looks like crap, it's of little use.  A 200x view of a poor scan doesn't really say much.
 
Tom Baker

--- On Mon, 4/6/09, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:

From: Mark Savoia <mark@...>
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] another interesting digital output comparison- ink and silver
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 4:08 PM

I agree with Bruce. Ted's test was very unscientific, a matter of  
taste mostly. And the reference to the crappy Epson scanner he used  
might not help. He admits that it was an "exercise within reason".

I think each person would have to do a head on comparison with a file  
the way they print (with their equipment and RIP if used) and the way  
Digital Silver prints to get a valid result. I have seen Eric's prints  
and they do look good, but they are a different breed, and one should  
not assume them  to match. Apples and oranges.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:59 PM, Bruce Watson wrote:

> Tyler Boley wrote:
>> http://www.teddillard.com/2009/04/digital-silver-printing.html
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> Yes. Interesting that the inkjet print is noticeably sharper, even  
> using
> the Epson driver and the color K3 inks. With the Durst's hype I would
> have thought they'd have done enough work to at least win sharpness.  
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> that's not what I see shown here. Odd, that.
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> What Mr. Dillard complains about is the tonality, especially in the
> highlights. This I find to be a problem with the Epson driver and  
> the K3
> inks. I think he would get much better and smoother highlights using a
> better driver (StudioPrint, QTR) and at least quadtone inks but
> especially using K7s.
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> That in my mind would be a "fair" comparison. Using color inks
to make
> B&W prints has always been a lower quality solution, but a more  
> flexible
> one if one refuses for whatever reasons to dedicate a printer to B&W.
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> Bruce Watson
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