All good points of course. I'm just glad anyone out there is taking an interest and looking at some of these issues closely, at least as good as they can. I can tell you from personal experience that Ted will take some flack for suggesting that an out-of-the-box solution from one of the big three falls short of their needs. Jeez, I'm starting to sound like Richard Belzer... Tyler http://www.custom-digital.com/ --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote: > > I agree with Bruce. Ted's test was very unscientific, a matter of > taste mostly. And the reference to the crappy Epson scanner he used > might not help. He admits that it was an "exercise within reason". > > I think each person would have to do a head on comparison with a file > the way they print (with their equipment and RIP if used) and the way > Digital Silver prints to get a valid result. I have seen Eric's prints > and they do look good, but they are a different breed, and one should > not assume them to match. Apples and oranges. > > Mark > http://www.stillrivereditions.com > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:59 PM, Bruce Watson wrote: > > > Tyler Boley wrote: > >> http://www.teddillard.com/2009/04/digital-silver-printing.html > >> > >> Tyler > > Yes. Interesting that the inkjet print is noticeably sharper, even > > using > > the Epson driver and the color K3 inks. With the Durst's hype I would > > have thought they'd have done enough work to at least win sharpness. > > But > > that's not what I see shown here. Odd, that. > > > > What Mr. Dillard complains about is the tonality, especially in the > > highlights. This I find to be a problem with the Epson driver and > > the K3 > > inks. I think he would get much better and smoother highlights using a > > better driver (StudioPrint, QTR) and at least quadtone inks but > > especially using K7s. > > > > That in my mind would be a "fair" comparison. Using color inks to make > > B&W prints has always been a lower quality solution, but a more > > flexible > > one if one refuses for whatever reasons to dedicate a printer to B&W. > > -- > > Bruce Watson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > > resources as they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > > this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > > to keep them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > > from the membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > > removed from the membership. > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > > Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the > > Files section: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE > > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL > > NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE > > PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH > > DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE > > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR > > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; > > OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > > GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: [Digital BW] another interesting digital output comparison- ink and silver
2009-04-07 by Tyler Boley
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