Digital BW, The Print

I'm a developer, actually. I've worked on developing B&W inksets, B&W  
functionalities for inkjet printers, and B&W related profiling  
solutions. B&W had lots of angles... as I feel obliged to point out  
every so often.

Jon has posted several thought provoking and broadening posts here in  
the last few weeks alone, posts I would not have wanted to miss; but  
he is also advocating a point of view, and a system; and selling the  
supplies for that system. I don't begrudge him his saleman's hat or  
his developer's hat; but neither do I apologize for my own, though  
having been involved in several areas of the field, I am "biased" in  
multiple directions at once.

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@...

On Apr 12, 2009, at 4:43 PM, "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> wrote:

>
> The title of this group is "Digital Black and White, The Print".   
> And since senior Cone happens to be a master in this arena, and  
> actually helped significantly in terms of pushing this technology  
> forward in the last decade to where is now,... and Tobie a "Data  
> Color" salesman, I think it is fairly easy to conceive who belongs  
> here and who doesn't. It isn't rocket science, but it is Digital  
> Black and White printing this site was designed to promote.
>
> john
>
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie  
> <CDTobie@...> wrote:
>>
>> Not from your point of view... But many others here are general print
>> users who have an interest in B&W.
>>
>> C. D. Tobie
>> Global Product Technology Mngr.
>> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
>> Datacolor.com
>> CDTobie@...
>>
>> On Apr 12, 2009, at 11:53 AM, "Jon Cone" <jon@...> wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> This is not a "general printing" users group.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie
>>> <CDTobie@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I was thinking of the Cult of the Carbon Image... There  
>>>> is
>>>> much less cult worship in general printing.
>>>>
>>>> C. D. Tobie
>>>> Global Product Technology Mngr.
>>>> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
>>>> Datacolor.com
>>>> CDTobie@
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 11, 2009, at 11:23 PM, "Jon Cone" <jon@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes. I am sorry. David, stop worshiping those graven images.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it makes you feel better, I will do it as Heston.
>>>>>
>>>>> David, thou shalt not worship graven images, especially the blue
>>>>> one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie
>>>>> <CDTobie@> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But wasn't there something about not worshipping graven images in
>>>>>> there as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C. D. Tobie
>>>>>> Global Product Technology Mngr.
>>>>>> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
>>>>>> Datacolor.com
>>>>>> CDTobie@
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2009, at 1:01 PM, "Jon Cone" <jon@> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lol  :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I meant the NRA Heston with the thought of a carbon b&w print
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> pried from my dead cold hand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...but Moses on the Mount works, too. Perfect time of year to
>>>>>>> remember Moses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thou shalt not mix carbon with color inks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thou shalt not need wait more than 10-30 years before your ABW
>>>>>>> prints turn red (or blue if you select the "neutral").
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thou shalt not mind David Tobie.  ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, C D Tobie
>>>>>>> <CDTobie@> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 10, 2009, at 1:40 AM, Jon Cone wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm obviously going to be the Charleton Heston of b&w
>>>>>>>>> printing.  A
>>>>>>>>> weird thought but none the less satisfying to know.  ROFL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this a Moses on the Mount reference, or an NRA one? <G>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> C. David Tobie
>>>>>>>> Global Product Technology Manager
>>>>>>>> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
>>>>>>>> CDTobie@
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Datacolor
>>>>>>>> www.datacolor.com/Spyder3
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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> B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be  
> removed from the membership.
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> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE  
> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE ìOWNE 
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> BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONS 
> EQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGE 
> S FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSE 
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> YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), R 
> ESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, T 
> HE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF Y 
> OUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD  
> PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MA 
> TTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
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