Digital BW, The Print

Hi Tom, hey Bert, just email him to get it straightened out. I'm sure he'd be concerned if the site is causing any confusion...
I think he mentioned he's in the midst of changing the memberships... so perhaps the website is mid evolution.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Tom Baker <tbaker1328@...> wrote:
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> I signed up for the $25 and didn't even see the other levels. Â Guess I'll go look a little further.
> Tom Baker
> --- On Mon, 7/27/09, Bert Katzung <katzung1@...> wrote:
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> From: Bert Katzung <katzung1@...>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Longevity research- cross posted
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, July 27, 2009, 8:34 PM
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> Hi Tyler:
> Thanks for the note. I am very interested in this effort, but I was 
> confused and put off by the subscription procedure. On the first page, 
> the cost of membership is stated to be $25. When I got to the nitty 
> gritty of signing up, there were three levels of membership, starting 
> with $55, not $25. At that point I had already given them a credit card 
> number, assuming I was going to get billed $25. Now I don't know what's 
> going to happen. Not a good experience, at least so far...
> Bert
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> Tyler Boley wrote:
> > Most of you may already know about this, but I intend to make some noise about it-
> > http://aardenburg-imaging.com/
> > That the opening page has such a discussion of specialty B&W ink speaks volumes right off the bat. Mark developed the standard Wilhelm is now moving to, while taking little of the public credit. This is exactly the kind of independent testing we have been looking for for years, and open to as many kinds of inks and papers as his subscription level can support. He also has the first viable approach to B&W testing we've seen as an independent, Wilhelm's told us nothing of hue shift in his previous testing, very important to us B&W folks, particularly those using processes with some level of color inks involved. He already has some interesting tests relevant to this list in progress. Some of you are probably already members. I realize to have a voluntary subscription effort like this is this economy makes for a difficult future, but isn't this exactly what we need to keep things honest?
> > This is extremely important work, the only impartial, thorough, and rational approach to evaluating the future of our print art since the radical switch to digital. Times are very tough, I managed to find a way to subscribe and stay alive, it's not much.
> > I think we should constantly support his efforts on the forums when we discuss materials, subscribe of course at least at the minimum if at all possible, and mention we are members on our sites and blogs. We would be his support, since he can't be a constant salesman and maintain the level of integrity required to give his work and results the impartial level of integrity required for widespread acceptance.
> > Thanks for listening, go join, and proudly chat up your membership... maybe he needs a certificate we can put on our sites.. a decoder ring at least?
> > Tyler
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