Digital BW, The Print

Jacob, There are some things that film does that just happens - well sort of
: ) . And that while digital can get close, film just does it so much
better. It is that paradigm that kept me away from digital for so long. I
grew up and went to school out in the Santa Clara Valley, now know the world
over as Silicon Valley. Starting back in 1979 ,I watched and waited as the
digital image replaced film.  You can come close to technidol with a dilute
HC 110 about 1:25 or higher.  Until digital can provide for the common man -
read that as affordable - a way to take both low light and long exposures
without excessive noise, film will still be king in the long night shot. I
don't think that this is HDR over done looking and while it is an acquired
taste for some, these look well done to me. I still have a bulk roll of TP
and a few boxes of 4x5 in the freezer. Great stuff. Think of all that you
are doing to your digital image; that is special processing or just what is
required? Simple film processing is not something special, just matched to
the imaging needs. 

 

Perhaps you should look else where to make images like these in a digital
workflow than Lightroom as a image processing tool. It is really great for
average processing but still lacks the high end noise reduction and specific
masking tools for high end output.     

 

Eric Neilsen

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

 

www.ericneilsenphotography.com

skype me with ejprinter

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacob
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:40 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: photos by Jean-Michel Berts

 

  

Andre, thanks for showing this site. It does give some technical info but
it's all relevant to the film processing. I'm not going back to film just to
reproduce this effect. 
I tried HDRI processing using Photomatix. I usually bracket, so I shoot 3
times which is what needed for Photomatix. I had to convert images to B&W
before exporting them to tiff because Photomatix reads original raw without
Lightroom adjustmetns.
Then I've made different HDRI images using different tome mapping, imported
them back to Lightroom. After some adjustments (like fill light, blacks,
clarity) I've got better images than before, smoother tones. 
They still don't look like Berts' but may be because he shoots at dawn and
his images are pretty dark.

It's amazing that with digital I need to shoot 3 times and HDRI processing
to get little bit close to what he gets with one shot and special
processing.

Jacob Mann
http://www.photo3da <http://www.photo3dart.com> rt.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "andre1moreau" <andre1moreau@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Jacob" <jacob@> wrote:
> > Now I'd like to know - how did he do it and how to reproduce this >
look?
> 
> Hello Jacobs,
> 
> It seems that the photos you are refering to are shown at the following
site:
> 
> http://www.jeanmich <http://www.jeanmichelberts.com/index_en.html>
elberts.com/index_en.html
> 
> Hover your mouse on the homepage pic and choose the "The Technical Pan"
link: I think you'll get the info you're looking for.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andre
>





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