Digital BW, The Print

You say "Raw gives you nothing."   BUT, it DOES give you a lot more than JPG, so that is not a true statement.  

The person who decides to use RAW instead of JPG is the person who is more interested in producing a better image.  Because of the ability of lightroom to compensate for poor exposure, they still get a better print, than with JPG.  Then, that person will learn more about exposure than the person who insists on using JPG, as time passes, and do better in the future.

Plus, because Lightroom does not modify the original JPG.  Even if the camera they use only makes JPGs, as they learn about exposure or use Lightroom and their camera  better, they can go back to produce better prints.  Thus it is best to encourage everyone to use RAW if they possibly can.  Get them to use it, and then teach them how to use it properly by leading them to the zone system.

 Ye Ol' Codger    Bob




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From: E.Neilsen <e.neilsen2@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 5:17:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: photos by Jean-Michel Berts

  
David, RAW is a format that allows for more information to be maintained but
it gives you nothing in terms of exposure. If you screw up your exposure it
is still screwed. The information hitting the sensor is of course maintained
in the file and compared to a JPEG there is so much more to work with it is
crazy not to use it, but I stand by my answer in that RAW gives you nothing,
but rather you give yourself data to work with when you make a proper
exposure and use a RAW processor. 

Eric Neilsen

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

www.ericneilsenphot ography.com

skype me with ejprinter

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From: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of C D Tobie
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 7:07 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhit eThePrint@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: photos by Jean-Michel Berts

On Nov 15, 2009, at 10:07 PM, E.Neilsen wrote:

> RAW does not give you anything.

Actually RAW gives you high bit, which is the whole value of it. But 
if there is a high bit file behind the visible veil of 8 bits per 
channel (all that you can actually see of any file, high bit or not), 
then its the adjustments you can make to the RAW, high bit file, 
without it breaking up as an 8 bit per channel file will, that is the 
value of RAW. So yes, HDR-like capabilities are one form of taking 
advantage of RAW; as is opening the shadows and finding more shadow 
detail instead of just noise, or salvaging highlights without creating 
problems elsewhere. So I'd suggest your answer is also so close to 
false as to be incorrect.. ;-)

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
CDTobie@datacolor. <mailto:CDTobie% 40datacolor. com> com

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