Digital BW, The Print

Good question Paul, but I'm not sure I've really got a good answer...

I started off using the -14 setting, but just before I uploaded the  
early work to my site, I had second thoughts about the level of toning  
and I decided to cool that group down a bit (a little longer in the  
selenium). The +45 setting made exactly the change I was looking for.

The recent work (Orphans, etc.) is all done at -14, and I've pretty  
much standardized on that now. It's more hard-edged than the old film  
work was, and I felt like it could use a little different toning  
treatment to soften it up. On Portriga, it would be like pulling the  
print from the selenium a little earlier, and letting more of that  
nice warm Portriga chlorobromide color remain.

In any event, based on comparisons with my old wet prints, I'm getting  
a good match within that range. I was never very consistent with my  
toning times in the darkroom. I varied them to suit the image.

Thank you for the kind words about the pictures.

All best,
Dave


On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Paul Grant wrote:

> Dave,
>
> No answer for you but a curious question.   Why do you find the need  
> to move the balance from -14 to +45 for the old versus new work?   
> Although the changes are quite subtle.
> Are you trying to imitate the Portriga for the old and just new  
> settings for the new work?    Just curious as it seems if the old  
> scanned work is greyscale then it wouldnt make any difference.
>
> By the way I did enjoy browsing your images.  Love that style.
>
> Regards,
> Paul
> On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Dave wrote:
>
>> I've been following this thread with great interest, and I've got an
>> inquiry that's very similar to the the original poster's. Eventually,
>> I'd like to move from my current printing method to an all-carbon
>> inkset, but I'm concerned that I won't get the color I'm accustomed  
>> to.
>>
>> My setup is this – I print with an HP B9180, using a color workflow,
>> on Entrada Bright. My B&W work is split toned in Lightroom using the
>> following settings: Highlights = Hue 42, Saturation 6; Balance = -14;
>> Shadows = Hue 59, Saturation 12. The B&W work on my site uses the
>> split toning settings I've described, but I've varied the balance
>> setting, -14 for the current work, and +45 for the early (scanned
>> film) work.
>>
>> My monitor, a 30" Apple Display, is calibrated with a Spyder2 to  
>> 5000K
>> with a Gamma of 2.2, and a white point of 120 cdm2.
>>
>> With these settings, I'm able to get a very good color match in
>> daylight between my display and my prints. Aside from the different  
>> in
>> surface (matte) I'm getting a very close color match to prints that I
>> made 30 years ago on Portriga (air-dried) gloss, developed in Dektol
>> 1:1 with moderate selenium toning.
>>
>> My question is this: Will an all-carbon inkset, like the E6 or E3 on
>> an Epson get me the kind of B&W color I'm looking for, or would I be
>> better off sticking with my full color (toned) workflow? Without
>> seeing actual prints, it would be a very expensive crapshoot for me  
>> to
>> invest in a dedicated B&W machine and a custom inkset. I just don't
>> have that kind of money, and part of the reason that I'm considering
>> setting up a dedicated B&W machine is to cut my ink costs.
>>
>> Thanks in advance - I'll go back to lurking and learning now...
>>
>> Dave Reichert
>>
>> http://www.davereichertphoto.com/
>>
>>
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