Digital BW, The Print

Hi Bill,

Well I just bought a 25 sheet pack of 8.5x11 to submit  these fade tests with but haven't done any actual prints on it yet, but I believe Tyler and others have. From the patches I printed it looks very good. Pretty much the same texture, base white, thickness, and dmax as Photorag308 with not a trace of bleed. It is working way better than the Crane papers that don't take max black well and get all muddy in linearization in the shadows. 

The only reason I bought the Premiere was Jon's insistence that Photorag is not performing well with his inks (which I've certainly never seen here). And, the longevity questions......Wilhelm's tests do show  Photorag doing not as good as the Crane Ultrasmooth with K3 going by the tests Hahnemuhle paid for. But it isn't bad, just not as good as some other matte rag media.

So Mark S. we will see just what happens on Alise in relation to the look and fade with all the inks. Personally you and I  and a million other people have had great results with all kinds of inks on Photorag, and I continue to use it constantly until I find some concrete reason not to.

It is interesting, I was reviewing Aardenburg's tests with the Vivera inks and right now at about 90 megalux hrs, Photorag Pearl and Crane Silver Rag are performing better than the Hp version of Photorag matte ( which is doing fine but not quite as good.)

We may see that some of these papers and inks do better or worse in the first 100 mega lux hours but change performance the other direction in longer exposures. In other words, some may take a hit early but level off after that, and others do great early on and fade more rapidly in the long run. That is exactly why we need Aardenburg, to find out these kinds of things. Certainly no one else has told us what's going on.

john

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> From: john <deanwork2003@...>
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2010 5:24 pm
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Aardenburg-Imaging 30 MLux Hr results
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> Hi Mark,
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> I just dropped the last two samples to you in the mail today. I'm glad you haven't started the next run yet.
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> These I had mentioned I was sending you are  Piezography Neutral K7 on Premier Alise Bright White (not the dreaded Photorag this time) and Piezography Carbon Sepia K7 on the same paper.
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> Like you mentioned the last time we discussed this, it will help greatly to have the Piezo stuff tested on more than one media from more than one source to  have a clearer reading as to where this is all going - dedicated sets vs Epson, quad vs K7,and this media vs that media.
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> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john" <deanwork2003@> wrote:
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> > > I submitted  gray and black only Hp Z3100 Vivera samples on Photorag 308 and Photorag Baryta awhile back so they should show up soon.
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> > Yes, I'm preparing a new batch 25 samples, and they will begin test very soon.  I had hoped to already have this batch in test, but I've been backlogged with other work lately.  John's samples are in this new batch and will really help to flesh out Hp Vivera pigment performance in monochrome mode.
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> > Thanks for everyone's interest in the research.
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