Digital BW, The Print

Thanks for the history lesson guys ! However, still not clear who makes this stuff. are we saying it is definately Hahnemuhle ?
Chris 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla <edinkla@...> wrote:
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> tboleyyh schreef:
> > right, Classic Velour... That was the Luminos version of the same, 
> > also Media Street Royal Plush? Don't remember them all, but all were 
> > rebranded big H papers. In fact, at first they did not sell under 
> > their own name... One of the turning points in inkjet development was
> >  when Wilhelm came out with a rating of 75 yrs (if I recall) for
> > Media Street Generations pigment ink on Royal Plush. Put all the
> > previous ratings to shame, and Epson later came out with Ultrachrome
> > pigment. Ernst probably remembers all that too. Damn we're old. Tyler
> > 
> To get some experience I bought an Epson 3000 when the 9000 was
> announced. The 9000 started with its original dye inks soon replaced
> with Lyson Fotonic dye that was replaced by Van Son dye which wasn't
> worse or better than Lyson's.. Both the fading of the dye inks and the
> Hahnemühle coating that got yellow/brown was experienced in that period.
> It was only a short period we used Lyson's rebranded HM papers. We knew
> Hahnemühle's agent from silkscreen printing days. Lyson started to tell
> tales about an extra coating their papers had for the inks they used, HM
> told otherwise. In the 3000 I tried the Staedtler's pigment inks but the
> gamut was horrible. This was all before Wilhelm gave the bad numbers for
> Lyson and the nice ones for Mediastreet Generations (I don't think it
> would last long in today's tests either). I think a period of two years
> before we settled on Generations.  Epson's Archival pigment
> wasn't a good alternative, fading numbers excellent but gamut worse than
> Generations. Ultrachrome was about equal in gamut. But that was later.
> That episode made us much older. We were the Guinea pigs of the piëzo
> period, the Iris guys were the real pioneers in the15 years before 2000.
> 
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> Met vriendelijke groeten,   Ernst
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