Digital BW, The Print

Is the paper available in the UK as Lyson Smooth Fine Art, 300gsm, known elsewhere as something else ? It works well with a 3MK system on an R1800, using the Premier Art  HP BW300 curve in QTR. Do Lyson actually make media or is it re-branded ?

in the past Lyson papers were always Hahnemuhle. Long ago I used their "Fine Art" and it was German Etching. The only confusion is "smooth", not how I'd refer to German Etching as there are smoother papers, and I don't recall it as part of that name before. Also, there are no strictly 300gsm H papers, though they may just be rounding...
Anyway, I'd bet if you had some Hahnemuhle paper samples, it would match one of them, and you'd have your answer.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bobtail75" <cperfect594@...> wrote:

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> Is the paper available in the UK as Lyson Smooth Fine Art, 300gsm, known elsewhere as something else ? It works well with a 3MK system on an R1800, using the Premier Art  HP BW300 curve in QTR. Do Lyson actually make media or is it re-branded ?
>

I thought "classic velour" was German Etching? :-).  Remember back in the day when we used to use those papers on the old Epson 1200s and they were so thick the printers used to kick them back out 5 or 6 times before it would accept it? How things have changed and we even have pigments now. LIfe is not all bad.

j

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tboleyyh" <tyler@...> wrote:

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> in the past Lyson papers were always Hahnemuhle. Long ago I used their "Fine Art" and it was German Etching. The only confusion is "smooth", not how I'd refer to German Etching as there are smoother papers, and I don't recall it as part of that name before. Also, there are no strictly 300gsm H papers, though they may just be rounding...
> Anyway, I'd bet if you had some Hahnemuhle paper samples, it would match one of them, and you'd have your answer.
> Tyler
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bobtail75" <cperfect594@> wrote:
> >
> > Is the paper available in the UK as Lyson Smooth Fine Art, 300gsm, known elsewhere as something else ? It works well with a 3MK system on an R1800, using the Premier Art  HP BW300 curve in QTR. Do Lyson actually make media or is it re-branded ?
> >
>

right, Classic Velour... That was the Luminos version of the same,  also Media Street Royal Plush? Don't remember them all, but all were rebranded big H papers. In fact, at first they did not sell under their own name...
One of the turning points in inkjet development was when Wilhelm came out with a rating of 75 yrs (if I recall) for Media Street Generations pigment ink on Royal Plush. Put all the previous ratings to shame, and Epson later came out with Ultrachrome pigment.
Ernst probably remembers all that too.
Damn we're old.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john" <deanwork2003@...> wrote:

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> I thought "classic velour" was German Etching? :-).  Remember back in the day when we used to use those papers on the old Epson 1200s and they were so thick the printers used to kick them back out 5 or 6 times before it would accept it? How things have changed and we even have pigments now. LIfe is not all bad.
> 
> j
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tboleyyh" <tyler@> wrote:
> >
> > in the past Lyson papers were always Hahnemuhle. Long ago I used their "Fine Art" and it was German Etching. The only confusion is "smooth", not how I'd refer to German Etching as there are smoother papers, and I don't recall it as part of that name before. Also, there are no strictly 300gsm H papers, though they may just be rounding...
> > Anyway, I'd bet if you had some Hahnemuhle paper samples, it would match one of them, and you'd have your answer.
> > Tyler
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bobtail75" <cperfect594@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is the paper available in the UK as Lyson Smooth Fine Art, 300gsm, known elsewhere as something else ? It works well with a 3MK system on an R1800, using the Premier Art  HP BW300 curve in QTR. Do Lyson actually make media or is it re-branded ?
> > >
> >
>

Yea and remember Pennacle Gold inks by American Inkjet Company, tested by Wilhelm, that people started putting in their Epson dye printers, and then the Lyson stuff that we got all mucked up with with just horrible gamut and clogging, but we thought we were hot stuff. And Jon Cone was running around putting monochrome inks in the Iris printers called digital platinum...and that was really sophisticated stuff for the wealthy high end.

Seems like centuries ago but it was only 10 years.


j

That is 10 digital dog years.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:37 PM, john wrote:

> Seems like centuries ago but it was only 10 years.

Don't give Rodney credit for it, please. 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:

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> That is 10 digital dog years.
> 
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
> 
> On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:37 PM, john wrote:
> 
> > Seems like centuries ago but it was only 10 years.
>

tboleyyh schreef:
> right, Classic Velour... That was the Luminos version of the same, 
> also Media Street Royal Plush? Don't remember them all, but all were 
> rebranded big H papers. In fact, at first they did not sell under 
> their own name... One of the turning points in inkjet development was
>  when Wilhelm came out with a rating of 75 yrs (if I recall) for
> Media Street Generations pigment ink on Royal Plush. Put all the
> previous ratings to shame, and Epson later came out with Ultrachrome
> pigment. Ernst probably remembers all that too. Damn we're old. Tyler
> 
To get some experience I bought an Epson 3000 when the 9000 was
announced. The 9000 started with its original dye inks soon replaced
with Lyson Fotonic dye that was replaced by Van Son dye which wasn't
worse or better than Lyson's.. Both the fading of the dye inks and the
Hahnem\ufffdhle coating that got yellow/brown was experienced in that period.
It was only a short period we used Lyson's rebranded HM papers. We knew
Hahnem\ufffdhle's agent from silkscreen printing days. Lyson started to tell
tales about an extra coating their papers had for the inks they used, HM
told otherwise. In the 3000 I tried the Staedtler's pigment inks but the
gamut was horrible. This was all before Wilhelm gave the bad numbers for
Lyson and the nice ones for Mediastreet Generations (I don't think it
would last long in today's tests either). I think a period of two years
before we settled on Generations.  Epson's Archival pigment
wasn't a good alternative, fading numbers excellent but gamut worse than
Generations. Ultrachrome was about equal in gamut. But that was later.
That episode made us much older. We were the Guinea pigs of the pi\ufffdzo
period, the Iris guys were the real pioneers in the15 years before 2000.

-- 
Met vriendelijke groeten,   Ernst


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Thanks for the history lesson guys ! However, still not clear who makes this stuff. are we saying it is definately Hahnemuhle ?
Chris 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla <edinkla@...> wrote:

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> tboleyyh schreef:
> > right, Classic Velour... That was the Luminos version of the same, 
> > also Media Street Royal Plush? Don't remember them all, but all were 
> > rebranded big H papers. In fact, at first they did not sell under 
> > their own name... One of the turning points in inkjet development was
> >  when Wilhelm came out with a rating of 75 yrs (if I recall) for
> > Media Street Generations pigment ink on Royal Plush. Put all the
> > previous ratings to shame, and Epson later came out with Ultrachrome
> > pigment. Ernst probably remembers all that too. Damn we're old. Tyler
> > 
> To get some experience I bought an Epson 3000 when the 9000 was
> announced. The 9000 started with its original dye inks soon replaced
> with Lyson Fotonic dye that was replaced by Van Son dye which wasn't
> worse or better than Lyson's.. Both the fading of the dye inks and the
> Hahnemühle coating that got yellow/brown was experienced in that period.
> It was only a short period we used Lyson's rebranded HM papers. We knew
> Hahnemühle's agent from silkscreen printing days. Lyson started to tell
> tales about an extra coating their papers had for the inks they used, HM
> told otherwise. In the 3000 I tried the Staedtler's pigment inks but the
> gamut was horrible. This was all before Wilhelm gave the bad numbers for
> Lyson and the nice ones for Mediastreet Generations (I don't think it
> would last long in today's tests either). I think a period of two years
> before we settled on Generations.  Epson's Archival pigment
> wasn't a good alternative, fading numbers excellent but gamut worse than
> Generations. Ultrachrome was about equal in gamut. But that was later.
> That episode made us much older. We were the Guinea pigs of the piëzo
> period, the Iris guys were the real pioneers in the15 years before 2000.
> 
> -- 
> Met vriendelijke groeten,   Ernst
> 
> 
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