Digital BW, The Print

>
> What are your settings and color space?  That combo works great for me both with my old PC and my new iMac.  Formerly with Alise Natural and now with the Hot Press.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:43 PM, "Tom" <tpgarrett77@...> wrote:
> 
> > For some time I have been using the above combination (except the Hot Press)and printing on Red River Premium Matte and Aurora Natural and
> > my print matches the monitor very closely. Just got the Hot Press and
> > ran a test print with the usual settings and it printed really dark.
> > Of course I suppose I could run multiple tests till I got it right but
> > my budget is extremely limited and the paper is kinda pricey. Thought
> > someone here might be able to advise me how best to get a better
> > outcome. Any help would be appreciated.
> > Tom Garrett
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 7:44 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Eboni6, Epson 1400 & Epson Hot Press Natural

For some time I have been using the above combination (except the Hot
Press)and printing on Red River Premium Matte and Aurora Natural and
my print matches the monitor very closely.  Just got the Hot Press and
ran a test print with the usual settings and it printed really dark.
Of course I suppose I could run multiple tests till I got it right but
my budget is extremely limited and the paper is kinda pricey.  Thought
someone here might be able to advise me how best to get a better
outcome.  Any help would be appreciated.
Tom Garrett




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>
> For some time I have been using the above combination (except the Hot Press)and printing on Red River Premium Matte and Aurora Natural and
> my print matches the monitor very closely.  Just got the Hot Press and
> ran a test print with the usual settings and it printed really dark.
> Of course I suppose I could run multiple tests till I got it right but
> my budget is extremely limited and the paper is kinda pricey.  Thought
> someone here might be able to advise me how best to get a better
> outcome.  Any help would be appreciated.
> Tom Garrett
>

>
> "Tom" <tpgarrett77@> wrote:
> 
> I have both Epson driver ICCs and QTR profiles in http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Eb6-Profiles.zip
> 
> The ICCs will read the working space and should come close to matching a calibrated monitor.  Of course, if you've been using a unique way to match print and monitor, this approach may not solve the problem.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > For some time I have been using the above combination (except the Hot Press)and printing on Red River Premium Matte and Aurora Natural and
> > my print matches the monitor very closely.  Just got the Hot Press and
> > ran a test print with the usual settings and it printed really dark.
> > Of course I suppose I could run multiple tests till I got it right but
> > my budget is extremely limited and the paper is kinda pricey.  Thought
> > someone here might be able to advise me how best to get a better
> > outcome.  Any help would be appreciated.
> > Tom Garrett
> >
>

>
> I use the same paper and Inks.
> I use QTR with the Eb6-quad-1-PaBW-2880 from Paul R.
> I save a .tif file in Photo Shop and print with QTR.
> Works perfect for me.
> I have Windows Vista 64 bit.
> 
> Mike J.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 7:44 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Eboni6, Epson 1400 & Epson Hot Press Natural
> 
> For some time I have been using the above combination (except the Hot
> Press)and printing on Red River Premium Matte and Aurora Natural and
> my print matches the monitor very closely.  Just got the Hot Press and
> ran a test print with the usual settings and it printed really dark.
> Of course I suppose I could run multiple tests till I got it right but
> my budget is extremely limited and the paper is kinda pricey.  Thought
> someone here might be able to advise me how best to get a better
> outcome.  Any help would be appreciated.
> Tom Garrett
> 
> 
> 
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> "Tom" <tpgarrett77@> wrote:
> >
> > Paul, ... I'm not sure which one of the
> > profiles I need.  Not up on my acronyms.  Using Eboni6, Epson 1900
> > and Epson Hot Press Natural.  Thanks.
> 
> Sorry, I thought you were using a 1400.  I don't have profiles for a 1900.  
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

>
> Guess my 77 years are taking  their toll.  I am using a 1400 Paul.
> My apology.  Tom
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@> wrote:
> >
> > "Tom" <tpgarrett77@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Paul, ... I'm not sure which one of the
> > > profiles I need.  Not up on my acronyms.  Using Eboni6, Epson 1900
> > > and Epson Hot Press Natural.  Thanks.
> > 
> > Sorry, I thought you were using a 1400.  I don't have profiles for a 1900.  
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
>

>
> "Tom Fielder" <tfielder@> wrote:
> >
> >...if you print a solid "yellow" block, using the B& W inks, 
> > will the printer just fire the yellow nozzle?  
> > 
> 
> Yes it will.  (I disagree with Mike on this point.)
> 
> Likewise, in standard hextone type printers the Red and Green curves in the Photoshop adjustment curves map directly to the cyan and magenta positions of the printers, with the cross-overs between the light and dark inks being built in (and very good).  If the printer driver is set to "No Color Adjustment" the full ink limit, as set by the selection of paper type, will be utilized.  If "Color Controls" is set in the driver, some of the ink will be withheld.
> 
> With an inkset that is made to be compatible with the Epson driver, such as Eboni-6 on the 1400, the main reason to use the QTR rip as opposed to QTR's Create ICC-RGB is to be able to set the ink limits of the inks and to print black only.  Independent control of the ink limits is necessary for un-coated papers such as Arches HP, which takes a very high ink limit for the black ink and very low ink limits for the midtones.  With the Epson HP papers, there is even no longer any significant tonal advantage to black only.  I've stopped using it.  So, with Eboni-6, everything can be done with curves embedded in ICCs with Create ICC-RGB as long as you don't care about un-coated papers.
> 
> The non-hextone inksets present some different issues with some inksets, but work fine with monotones and the Epson driver.  For example, on the 1800, I was able to partition and profile Eboni-6 just fine with Epson driver.  Likewise the K2 and K3 printers work fine with the Epson driver.  The new 7900 types of printers would probably also work fine with Eboni-6, but not with Arches unless their drivers include K and midtone ink limit controls that are much better than the older drivers.
> 
> A rip is also needed to control variable tone inksets better on K3 printers.  The gray substitution interferes with the control of the C and M channels too much.  That is what undermined the UT-3D on K3 machines. 
> 
> But, bottom line, Eboni-6 and similar monotone inksets have a clear path forward on virtually all Epson printers as long as there are carts available.  The need for the rip to print Arches uncoated paper is the main reason I grabbed the 7800.  
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>