Digital BW, The Print

Realizing I need to include off-site backups in my backup plan, I'm looking into various cloud storage options(online storage on someone else's server). Liking to keep things inexpensive, I signed up for Microsoft's Skydrive which offers 25 GB of free storage space (skydrive.com). Thanks MickeySoft! While that's a huge amount of space to give away for free, and will hold lots of documents, photographers on this forum will likely need more space. Nevertheless, it's a good place for me to start. There's some hoops to jump through to use this space, like the need for a WindowsLive registration, and some confusion as MS goes through some cloud based growing pains. 

To upload my files I've tried Skydrive Explorer (cloudstorageexplorer.com), a free program with basic functions and a upgraded paid version with slightly more features. I'm also trying another free/paid upgrade program called Gladinet (gladinet.com) that offers professional level features (e.g., mirrored uploading to multiple cloud sites). I've done my first uploads with both and Gladinet is quite interesting, to say the least.

So, the reason for the post is to ask if others here have started to use cloud storage services for their photos and what have you learned that would be useful to those of us just starting out? And sorry for the OT subject. Thanks!

Michael

Check out CrashPlan, works great, unlimited storage for $5 a month. They also offer a hard drive sent to you for initial mega upload to save time, they charge a fee for that of course.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Michael wrote:

> Realizing I need to include off-site backups in my backup plan, I'm looking into various cloud storage options(online storage on someone else's server). Liking to keep things inexpensive, I signed up for Microsoft's Skydrive which offers 25 GB of free storage space (skydrive.com). Thanks MickeySoft! While that's a huge amount of space to give away for free, and will hold lots of documents, photographers on this forum will likely need more space. Nevertheless, it's a good place for me to start. There's some hoops to jump through to use this space, like the need for a WindowsLive registration, and some confusion as MS goes through some cloud based growing pains. 
> 
> To upload my files I've tried Skydrive Explorer (cloudstorageexplorer.com), a free program with basic functions and a upgraded paid version with slightly more features. I'm also trying another free/paid upgrade program called Gladinet (gladinet.com) that offers professional level features (e.g., mirrored uploading to multiple cloud sites). I've done my first uploads with both and Gladinet is quite interesting, to say the least.
> 
> So, the reason for the post is to ask if others here have started to use cloud storage services for their photos and what have you learned that would be useful to those of us just starting out? And sorry for the OT subject. Thanks!
> 
> Michael
>

Hey Mike,
Just a few thoughts.. I've been thru the wringer on this topic at one time or other .. Respectifully while an on line source may show up to many as a convience it is not a guarantee.. Be totally clear about that ok? Their is no data guarantee ... They are cutting pennies just like you to make things work..  No kidding and I'm serious..... if all your after is 25 GB of off site storage then buy a 32 GB flash drive and keep it in your glove box..or if you get a survivor .. keep it in a piece of 4 inch plumbers tubing capped on one end and a screw on lid on the other buried in your yard.. (I'm not joking) 
The on line stuff is great in theory but in truth it's like watching paint dry.. from and upload and download standpoint.. plus you still need to file manage it so you know what you have.. Off site file management software has a cost also.. I guess the only way you get to get a sense of it is when you break.. I mean loose your drives.. and you really need the data.. like bad.. and now... try downloading 20 gb off the web to restore something..  What happens if you work your way up or grow  to 50 / 100 plus GB..  Anyway food for thought..

jimbo

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 2:08 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] OT: cloud storage of photo files


    
  Realizing I need to include off-site backups in my backup plan, I'm looking into various cloud storage options(online storage on someone else's server). Liking to keep things inexpensive, I signed up for Microsoft's Skydrive which offers 25 GB of free storage space (skydrive.com). Thanks MickeySoft! While that's a huge amount of space to give away for free, and will hold lots of documents, photographers on this forum will likely need more space. Nevertheless, it's a good place for me to start. There's some hoops to jump through to use this space, like the need for a WindowsLive registration, and some confusion as MS goes through some cloud based growing pains. 

  To upload my files I've tried Skydrive Explorer (cloudstorageexplorer.com), a free program with basic functions and a upgraded paid version with slightly more features. I'm also trying another free/paid upgrade program called Gladinet (gladinet.com) that offers professional level features (e.g., mirrored uploading to multiple cloud sites). I've done my first uploads with both and Gladinet is quite interesting, to say the least.

  So, the reason for the post is to ask if others here have started to use cloud storage services for their photos and what have you learned that would be useful to those of us just starting out? And sorry for the OT subject. Thanks!

  Michael



  

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Hey, the FBI just called.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:37 PM, mrjimbo wrote:

> keep it in a piece of 4 inch plumbers tubing capped on one end and a screw on lid on the other buried in your yard.

On 1/17/2011 1:44 PM, Mark Savoia wrote:
>
> Hey, the FBI just called.
>
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>
> On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:37 PM, mrjimbo wrote:
>
> > keep it in a piece of 4 inch plumbers tubing capped on one end and a screw on lid on the other buried in your yard.
>
>

Nah that's just a Geocache.

Dana



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On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:08:45 -0000, "Michael" <michael3442@...>
had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out:

>Realizing I need to include off-site backups in my backup plan, I'm looking into various cloud storage options(online storage on someone else's server). Liking to keep things inexpensive, I signed up for Microsoft's Skydrive which offers 25 GB of free storage space (skydrive.com). Thanks MickeySoft! While that's a huge amount of space to give away for free, and will hold lots of documents, photographers on this forum will likely need more space. Nevertheless, it's a good place for me to start. There's some hoops to jump through to use this space, like the need for a WindowsLive registration, and some confusion as MS goes through some cloud based growing pains. 
>
>To upload my files I've tried Skydrive Explorer (cloudstorageexplorer.com), a free program with basic functions and a upgraded paid version with slightly more features. I'm also trying another free/paid upgrade program called Gladinet (gladinet.com) that offers professional level features (e.g., mirrored uploading to multiple cloud sites). I've done my first uploads with both and Gladinet is quite interesting, to say the least.
>
>So, the reason for the post is to ask if others here have started to use cloud storage services for their photos and what have you learned that would be useful to those of us just starting out? And sorry for the OT subject. Thanks!
>
>Michael

I wouldn't consider it any safer than a floppy, considering how many
of those online storage places that have come and gone.

-- 

Stephen

If one synchronized swimmer drowns, do the rest have to drown too?

WHAT DID THEY SAY?

J

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Savoia 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 2:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: cloud storage of photo files


    
  Hey, the FBI just called.

  Mark
  http://www.stillrivereditions.com

  On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:37 PM, mrjimbo wrote:

  > keep it in a piece of 4 inch plumbers tubing capped on one end and a screw on lid on the other buried in your yard.



  

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While I know that "cloud" (the new techno geek term) services are being
marketed heavily, I believe that the issue is more than just going out of
business. You are releasing all of your images, personal files and data to a
third party to protect. Quite frankly I believe that is a lousy idea. HD
space is getting cheaper by the day, why take the risk of placing your data
with a third party when you can secure it yourself. Cloud services have
employees who can or may be compromised. Can anyone say Wiki Leaks?

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Castello
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:19 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: cloud storage of photo files

 

  

On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:08:45 -0000, "Michael" <michael3442@...
<mailto:michael3442%40yahoo.com> >
had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out:

>Realizing I need to include off-site backups in my backup plan, I'm looking
into various cloud storage options(online storage on someone else's server).
Liking to keep things inexpensive, I signed up for Microsoft's Skydrive
which offers 25 GB of free storage space (skydrive.com). Thanks MickeySoft!
While that's a huge amount of space to give away for free, and will hold
lots of documents, photographers on this forum will likely need more space.
Nevertheless, it's a good place for me to start. There's some hoops to jump
through to use this space, like the need for a WindowsLive registration, and
some confusion as MS goes through some cloud based growing pains. 
>
>To upload my files I've tried Skydrive Explorer (cloudstorageexplorer.com),
a free program with basic functions and a upgraded paid version with
slightly more features. I'm also trying another free/paid upgrade program
called Gladinet (gladinet.com) that offers professional level features
(e.g., mirrored uploading to multiple cloud sites). I've done my first
uploads with both and Gladinet is quite interesting, to say the least.
>
>So, the reason for the post is to ask if others here have started to use
cloud storage services for their photos and what have you learned that would
be useful to those of us just starting out? And sorry for the OT subject.
Thanks!
>
>Michael

I wouldn't consider it any safer than a floppy, considering how many
of those online storage places that have come and gone.

-- 

Stephen

If one synchronized swimmer drowns, do the rest have to drown too?





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Hey Mark...
A follow up.. I guess it sounded weird.. It's really not.. I'm just not close to the big city where I'm at (35 miles)  and on line storage to me, while it seems cool  to many, for me just isn't realistic or responsible.. 
Ok so you can laugh at my tube in the ground thing..  it's real and I'm doing it..  As a note the tube will get bigger here.. it's bumping to 8" which is what is used for major irrigation lines.. Then I can stuff a few drives in it.. So now your probably laughing more.. eh...das is otay.. I can say that if I lived closer to a bank or?? I would do differently but this is just an option to save money on gas.. and of course time. 
Hopefully you didn't give the FBI my addy....:-)


jimbo

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Savoia 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 2:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: cloud storage of photo files


    
  Hey, the FBI just called.

  Mark
  http://www.stillrivereditions.com

  On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:37 PM, mrjimbo wrote:

  > keep it in a piece of 4 inch plumbers tubing capped on one end and a screw on lid on the other buried in your yard.



  

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Always remember, just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not
out to get you. J

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mrjimbo
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 6:14 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: cloud storage of photo files

 

  

Hey Mark...
A follow up.. I guess it sounded weird.. It's really not.. I'm just not
close to the big city where I'm at (35 miles) and on line storage to me,
while it seems cool to many, for me just isn't realistic or responsible.. 
Ok so you can laugh at my tube in the ground thing.. it's real and I'm doing
it.. As a note the tube will get bigger here.. it's bumping to 8" which is
what is used for major irrigation lines.. Then I can stuff a few drives in
it.. So now your probably laughing more.. eh...das is otay.. I can say that
if I lived closer to a bank or?? I would do differently but this is just an
option to save money on gas.. and of course time. 
Hopefully you didn't give the FBI my addy....:-)

jimbo

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mark Savoia 
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: cloud storage of photo files

Hey, the FBI just called.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:37 PM, mrjimbo wrote:

> keep it in a piece of 4 inch plumbers tubing capped on one end and a screw
on lid on the other buried in your yard.

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A couple of additional thoughts. I have multiple forms of local storage; cloud storage is one additional form of storage and has the benefit of being off-site. The cloud storage services I've looked at all have multiple backups in different locations.

The upgraded version of the Gladinet software has the ability to do a automatic once daily backup to the cloud of any files that have changed. They also have another piece of software that links to this and appears to have the ability to do real-time backups (I think). The once daily scheduled backup to the cloud sounds real interesting to me, although I haven't yet set that up.

Note: I have no relationship with Gladinet.

Michael

On 17/01/2011 mrjimbo wrote:
> Ok so you can laugh at my tube in the ground thing..

Not at all. I look after a friend's offsite backup 2TB disk, similar idea. 
We discussed updates by mutual FTP, but really the bandwidth of 3-7GB for 
a day's work is just too much over DSL. So he just swaps for an updated 
disk every now and again.

I keep my own offsite backups in a nearby building. Unless it's a big 
asteroid this should be OK, and if it is, I'm not going to be in a 
position to care anyhow.
-- 
Regards

Tony Sleep
http://tonysleep.co.uk

I've been putting my backup files in my safety deposit box at the bank when we go on trips. The size box I have will hold the width of a bare 3.5" hard drive, but is just a little too narrow to hold a CD/DVD. Its depth and height would hold several drives. External drives in the 2.5" size fit fine even with their protective case. I also include an installation copy of software I would need like Quicken and the Seagate/Western Digital versions of Acronis True Image boot restore programs. That way I could restore my most critical software if the worst happened. What I need to do next is to ALWAYS keep backups there, not just when we go away.
Mike Brubaker

--- On Mon, 1/17/11, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:

From: Mark Savoia <mark@...>
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT: cloud storage of photo files
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 4:44 PM















 
 



  


    
      
      
      Hey, the FBI just called.



Mark

http://www.stillrivereditions.com



On Jan 17, 2011, at 4:37 PM, mrjimbo wrote:



> keep it in a piece of 4 inch plumbers tubing capped on one end and a screw on lid on the other buried in your yard.





    
     

    
    


 



  











      

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Unless the bank is closed :)

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Jan 18, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Brubaker family wrote:
>  That way I could restore my most critical software if the worst happened. 
> Mike Brubaker
> 
> -

ATM????
Steve
  
Unless the bank is closed :)

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Jan 18, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Brubaker family wrote:
> That way I could restore my most critical software if the worst happened. 
> Mike Brubaker
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Look no further for cloud storage. A couple of days ago Mark mentioned CrashPlan (www.crashplan.com) and I've been checking it out. This appears to be an extraordinary system at an incredible price. Unlimited storage for $5 a month - seriously. Also, you can have your own storage locations complement the online storage, e.g., external hard drive, off-site hard drive, and so on. PLUS, if you lose your computer (theft) for a modest fee they will send you a usb drive (1TB)to reload your new computer. Their site is very helpful and thorough. Thanks Mark for bringing this to our attention.

Michael

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:

>
> Check out CrashPlan, works great, unlimited storage for $5 a month. They also offer a hard drive sent to you for initial mega upload to save time, they charge a fee for that of course.
> 
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com