Digital BW, The Print

I've found that I'm most often using the 1400 with only 4 Eboni-6 inks and then 2 additional inks that are glossy compatible.  I've decided to write this up as the "Eboni-4 Plus" setup.  An early draft is at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-4-Plus.pdf 

The Eboni inks are the Y (2%), LM (6%, LLK density), M (18% Eboni, LK density) and Eboni MK.  They print just like the full Eboni-6 inkset, including just as smoothly, at least in my 1400.

The default cyan channel inks are the UT14 C and LC.  These are the neutral/cool blended carbon-color inks in the UT14 inkset.  MIS has all of these inks pre-loaded or bulk. From MIS's perspective, more neutral printing than Eboni-6 is a larger market, and many do like the glossy papers.  The cool C-LC inks allow this.

When I was exploring sepia printing, I used the MIS glossy carbon PK and LK inks in these positions.  They are the UT14 M and LM inks.  The chips are easily interchanged.  So, sepia printing is a very viable option.

The HP PK and LK (I use the 30% dilution [70% generic base]) are much like the UT14 C and LC, slightly more neutral.  The HP inks have a high gloss, whereas the MIS UT14 inks are uncoated pigments with a low gloss finish.  I used these HP pigments for my brochures for most of the last couple of years. 

The Noritsu-Epson advanced dyes also work very well in the C-LC positions if just glossy printing is the goal.  Frankly, for cards and brochures that is my favorite combination and probably all I'll need or use for those uses.  However, for display under fluorescent lights I don't recommend the dyes due to some metamerism.  Of course, the HP pigments would make more lightfast prints, and the Eboni more lightfast than the HP pigments.

In short, this is basically a way to have Eboni based 100% carbon pigment prints but with the addition of several interesting options in the printer.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Hi Paul.
How does this approach comapares to the UT-14 I currently use on my 1400, in terms of advantage and disadvantages?
André

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

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> I've found that I'm most often using the 1400 with only 4 Eboni-6 inks and then 2 additional inks that are glossy compatible.  I've decided to write this up as the "Eboni-4 Plus" setup.  An early draft is at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-4-Plus.pdf 
> 
> The Eboni inks are the Y (2%), LM (6%, LLK density), M (18% Eboni, LK density) and Eboni MK.  They print just like the full Eboni-6 inkset, including just as smoothly, at least in my 1400.
> 
> The default cyan channel inks are the UT14 C and LC.  These are the neutral/cool blended carbon-color inks in the UT14 inkset.  MIS has all of these inks pre-loaded or bulk. From MIS's perspective, more neutral printing than Eboni-6 is a larger market, and many do like the glossy papers.  The cool C-LC inks allow this.
> 
> When I was exploring sepia printing, I used the MIS glossy carbon PK and LK inks in these positions.  They are the UT14 M and LM inks.  The chips are easily interchanged.  So, sepia printing is a very viable option.
> 
> The HP PK and LK (I use the 30% dilution [70% generic base]) are much like the UT14 C and LC, slightly more neutral.  The HP inks have a high gloss, whereas the MIS UT14 inks are uncoated pigments with a low gloss finish.  I used these HP pigments for my brochures for most of the last couple of years. 
> 
> The Noritsu-Epson advanced dyes also work very well in the C-LC positions if just glossy printing is the goal.  Frankly, for cards and brochures that is my favorite combination and probably all I'll need or use for those uses.  However, for display under fluorescent lights I don't recommend the dyes due to some metamerism.  Of course, the HP pigments would make more lightfast prints, and the Eboni more lightfast than the HP pigments.
> 
> In short, this is basically a way to have Eboni based 100% carbon pigment prints but with the addition of several interesting options in the printer.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

"Andre" <andrevallejo@...> wrote:
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> How does this approach comapares to the UT-14 I currently use on my 1400, in terms of advantage and disadvantages?

This is basically a 1400 Eboni-6 setup with room for a cool (or very warm, sepia) channel for either toning the Eboni or printing on glossy paper.  I never really used the UT14 inkset.  So for me it's just a more flexible arrangement for my 1400.  I found that the Eboni-4 printed as well as the full Eboni-6.  So, using the cyan channel for glossy printing made better use of the printer.  Since this is what I've been doing for some time, I thought others might benefit from a write-up and profiles.  

MIS also seemed interested.  The Eboni-6 has slowly been catching on, but people still would like glossy and more neutral prints.  This approach can do this.


Frankly, while the default cool ink is the UT14 C & LC, I now have the HP inks in my printer.  I would not hesitate to use the Epson driver to print the Eboni-4 on Epson Hot Press even with these HP blended inks used somewhat to turn on the black ink.  HP neutral inks are very lightfast.  They also print more smoothly than the UT14 C & LC.  

Once I've made the profiles, I'll probably pull them and go to the Noritsu-Epson advanced dyes, which I think make the best brochures and cards.  They really print well -- perfectly smooth in my 1400 even though there are only 2 of them.  The 1400 is made for these dyes. The Epson driver (simple cyan curve in an ICC) knocks out a great glossy with a huge dmax and no reflective artifacts.  Very simple.  The dyes have some metamerism under florescent lights, but in cards they still look better than the veiled, bronze or dull pigment prints.

(I do, by the way, use QTR for my fine art Eboni-4 so that they are 100% carbon pigments.)

I've never had any problem with clogs in my 1400, but still, the less binder I have in any printer, the happier I am.  Eboni-4 and the dyes get most of it out of there.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@> wrote:
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> > I've found that I'm most often using the 1400 with only 4 Eboni-6 inks and then 2 additional inks that are glossy compatible.  I've decided to write this up as the "Eboni-4 Plus" setup.  An early draft is at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-4-Plus.pdf 
> > ...

"Andre" <andrevallejo@...> wrote:
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> How does this approach comapares to the UT-14 I currently use on my 1400, in terms of advantage and disadvantages?
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Let me add this:  Take a look at 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/EpsonHP-BW-Eb4Plus-cc22.jpg

This is the Epson driver with no profile aside from the driver's "Color Controls" and "gamma 2.2."  This print is with Eb4 and HP PK-LK on Epson Hot Press BW.  I suggest this is probably the easiest and most lightfast print with this type of neutrality that is possible with today's technology.

Basically, by starting with the most neutral carbon (Eboni), less neutralizing colors need to be added.  When the neutralizing ink is the very lightfast neutral HP ink, we're probably seeing about as good as it gets with today's systems.  UT14 neutralizing inks would be a bit more neutral but also a bit less lightfast.  The ramp isn't perfect, but it's rather good for no profile.  This could be printed by any application that can utilize the Epson driver's Color Controls mode (which seems to be a problem with some of the latest iterations of our software).

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Someday, I have to pay you a visit in Califórnia...so many years have gone by and so much to learn...
Andre

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

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> "Andre" <andrevallejo@> wrote:
> >
> > How does this approach comapares to the UT-14 I currently use on my 1400, in terms of advantage and disadvantages?
> ...
> 
> Let me add this:  Take a look at 
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/EpsonHP-BW-Eb4Plus-cc22.jpg
> 
> This is the Epson driver with no profile aside from the driver's "Color Controls" and "gamma 2.2."  This print is with Eb4 and HP PK-LK on Epson Hot Press BW.  I suggest this is probably the easiest and most lightfast print with this type of neutrality that is possible with today's technology.
> 
> Basically, by starting with the most neutral carbon (Eboni), less neutralizing colors need to be added.  When the neutralizing ink is the very lightfast neutral HP ink, we're probably seeing about as good as it gets with today's systems.  UT14 neutralizing inks would be a bit more neutral but also a bit less lightfast.  The ramp isn't perfect, but it's rather good for no profile.  This could be printed by any application that can utilize the Epson driver's Color Controls mode (which seems to be a problem with some of the latest iterations of our software).
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>