Digital BW, The Print

Photoshop CS5 and apparently the newest Mac OS (I'm a Windows user) seem to have eliminated the ability to use the Epson 1400 driver's "Color Controls" mode of printing.  Even when I set that in the CS5 print preview, the system resets the driver to "No Color Adjustment." 

Is there a way to keep the Color Controls driver option available with these new (dumbed down?) programs?

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:
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> Photoshop CS5 and apparently the newest Mac OS (I'm a Windows user) seem to have eliminated the ability to use the Epson 1400 driver's "Color Controls" mode of printing.  Even when I set that in the CS5 print preview, the system resets the driver to "No Color Adjustment." 
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> Is there a way to keep the Color Controls driver option available with these new (dumbed down?) programs?
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

I don't have an Epson 1400, but I do have CS5 running in Snow Leopard on my Mac, and  I'm pretty sure you have to go under another menu "Color Matching" and choose Epson Color Controls.  It's not in the main window where the "no color adjustment" field is shown. One of my longstanding pet peeves in digital printing is when vendors interlock or "gray out" certain controls based on settings in other sometimes obscure dialogue boxes. They should put a pop up message telling us why the feature is begin locked out.  Without that, it can be a maddening "trial-and-error" search through lots of different settings to find the root cause.

I'm using CS5 with Windows and can get to "color controls" on both my 3800 and C88. I downloaded the 1400 driver and can also get to "color controls", so something seems to be a problem in your configuration.

Evan

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

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> Photoshop CS5 and apparently the newest Mac OS (I'm a Windows user) seem to have eliminated the ability to use the Epson 1400 driver's "Color Controls" mode of printing.  Even when I set that in the CS5 print preview, the system resets the driver to "No Color Adjustment." 
> 
> Is there a way to keep the Color Controls driver option available with these new (dumbed down?) programs?
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

OS X is continually trying to "do stuff for you" which often means trouble for
those of us who want to do our own thing.

I don't ordinarily use a the Epson driver nor CS5 for printing but I decided to
look at this.   What I see is that if you pick "Photoshop Manages Color" a number
of selections are pre-done and grayed out when you get to the Print dialogs.

To get to the Color Controls in the Epson driver you need to:
1) in PS Preview, select Printer Manages Color
in Print dialog:
2) in Color Matching pane, select Epson Color Controls
3) in Print Settings, select Color Settings: Epson Standard sRGB
  ( you can also pick Adobe RGB -- don't know if it makes a difference)

now you can go to Advanced Color Settings and get the sliders.
I'd make use of the Presets to save all these settings for next time.

I don't know for sure if all this produces identical results as before but at least
one should be able to tweak things this way.   The Adobe RGB vs sRGB issue
is something that needs experimentation.  OS X uses sRGB as a default in
a lot of cases.

Roy


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

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> Photoshop CS5 and apparently the newest Mac OS (I'm a Windows user) seem to have eliminated the ability to use the Epson 1400 driver's "Color Controls" mode of printing.  Even when I set that in the CS5 print preview, the system resets the driver to "No Color Adjustment." 
> 
> Is there a way to keep the Color Controls driver option available with these new (dumbed down?) programs?
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

I don't seem to have a "Color Matching" item or menu in Windows -- or or I don't know where to look.

With the print preview, I can get to the "Color Contorls," but when I hit "print" it goes back to the preview and that resets to "Photoshop manages colors" which, in turn, resets the driver to "No Color Adjustment."  I'm guessing the PS folks don't want people using ICCs with "color controls."

It looks like if I use File>Print One Copy it bypasses the preview and uses something that may be either the default printer settings or the last setup in the preview.  Oddly, the Lab L curve with CS5 "print one copy" is actually more linear than when CS4 uses the "Color Controls, gamma 2.2."  So, some more experimenting is needed.

It could be some weird setup in my system, but so far I have not found what that might be.  

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Speaking of fussy PS-Driver connections, the most reliable way I've found to print from CS5 in W7 to the "Color Controls" mode in the 1400 (and some other) drivers is to use the "Print one copy" selection under PS's File menu.  (File>print one copy)  It then uses the last  driver setup.  Be sure PS has not reset it to "No color adjustment," however.

I'm convinced Adobe (and the OS makers, probably) have concluded that they need to force NCA to avoid people having the wrong settings when using an ICC.  However, it's made it real funky for those who really want to use Color Controls and know what they are doing.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com