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Group Exhibit at Keeble & Shuchat in Palo Alto

Group Exhibit at Keeble & Shuchat in Palo Alto

2011-03-18 by Rusty Sterling

I am part of a group exhibit at Keeble & Shuchat Photography that runs through April 13. We put up the exhibit, entitled "Rhythm," yesterday (March 17) and about half the exhibit is B&W. 

The group will be hosting a reception on Saturday, March 26, from 1 p.m. to 4 p.m., in the KSP Gallery that is open to the public. The images exhibited were inspired under the tutelage of Richard Dischler as part of his on-going Pre-Visualization and Mentoring Workshops at KSP. 

There are 12 artists represented in this exhibit, displaying some varied yet interesting styles. 

Please come out for a little wine, some snacks, and some great art.

If any of you show up please ask for me -- Rusty Sterling. I'd love to meet any of you who attend.

Framing with no mat or spacer

2011-03-18 by Arthur Fink

A client has asked for one of my prints framed with no mat, and no spacer.

I'm hesitant to do this -- worried that the print-glass junction 
could be a problem.  Would there be condensation, moire rings, 
mildew?  Would the print buckle a bit and leave a gap in some 
places?  Or, or my fears groundless?

If I do end up using spacers of some kind, can you offer any 
guidance?  Particular type, brand, style?

I print on matte papers -- typically proofing on EEM and final prints 
on Moab Entrada Natural.  The brand may change, but this series won't 
be printed on a gloss or semi-gloss paper.


Thanks much,


Arthur Fink

        Arthur Fink Photography

     Studio / Gallery in Portland, Maine, and also on Peaks Island
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Re: [Digital BW] Framing with no mat or spacer

2011-03-18 by ann clancy

sooner or later that print is going to stick to the glass. What are they thinking!
 
there is a product that can be used "interspacing" it is placed on the inner part of the rabbit on the frame and can't be seen. Check with your local framer that may sell you enough for this project. 
 
Good luck with educationing your client that this is not a good thing to do.
 
regards,
 
ann

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Subject: [Digital BW] Framing with no mat or spacer
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 6:46 AM


  




A client has asked for one of my prints framed with no mat, and no spacer.

I'm hesitant to do this -- worried that the print-glass junction 
could be a problem. Would there be condensation, moire rings, 
mildew? Would the print buckle a bit and leave a gap in some 
places? Or, or my fears groundless?

If I do end up using spacers of some kind, can you offer any 
guidance? Particular type, brand, style?

I print on matte papers -- typically proofing on EEM and final prints 
on Moab Entrada Natural. The brand may change, but this series won't 
be printed on a gloss or semi-gloss paper.

Thanks much,

Arthur Fink

Arthur Fink Photography

Studio / Gallery in Portland, Maine, and also on Peaks Island
www.arthurfinkphoto.com af@... 207.615.5722

Read, and comment on, my blog: www.InsightAndClarity.com

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Re: [Digital BW] Framing with no mat or spacer

2011-03-18 by Andrew Darlow

HI Arthur:

For conservation reasons, I think having the print in direct contact is not a good idea, especially if the glazing is glass. An inexpensive spacer option can be found here: http://www.frametek.com/HTML/FrameSpace/

Hope that helps.

All the best,

Andrew

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On Mar 18, 2011, at 6:46 AM, Arthur Fink wrote:

> 
> A client has asked for one of my prints framed with no mat, and no spacer.
> 
> I'm hesitant to do this -- worried that the print-glass junction 
> could be a problem. Would there be condensation, moire rings, 
> mildew? Would the print buckle a bit and leave a gap in some 
> places? Or, or my fears groundless?
> 
> If I do end up using spacers of some kind, can you offer any 
> guidance? Particular type, brand, style?
> 
> I print on matte papers -- typically proofing on EEM and final prints 
> on Moab Entrada Natural. The brand may change, but this series won't 
> be printed on a gloss or semi-gloss paper.
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> Arthur Fink
> 
> Arthur Fink Photography
> 
> Studio / Gallery in Portland, Maine, and also on Peaks Island
> www.arthurfinkphoto.com af@... 207.615.5722
> 
> Read, and comment on, my blog: www.InsightAndClarity.com
> 
> Click on this link to 
> <http://visitor.constantcontact.com/manage/optin/ea?v=001RgvbKVLa7a7RR4E6BV8sKw%3D%3D>join 
> my e-mail 
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> (via Constant Contact)
> for news about shows, art and spirit and creativity workshops,
> creativity coaching, wedding, birth, and other event photography.
> 







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RE: [Digital BW] Group Exhibit at Keeble & Shuchat in Palo Alto

2011-03-18 by E.Neilsen

Rusty, It's a bit far to go today. But please tell John Clifton hello, and
best of luck with a good turn out. 

 

Eric Neilsen

Eric Neilsen Photography

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

 

www.ericneilsenphotography.com

skype me with ejprinter

www.ericneilsenphotography.com/forum1

Let's Talk Photography

 

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rusty
Sterling
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:39 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Group Exhibit at Keeble & Shuchat in Palo Alto

 

  

I am part of a group exhibit at Keeble & Shuchat Photography that runs
through April 13. We put up the exhibit, entitled "Rhythm," yesterday (March
17) and about half the exhibit is B&W. 

The group will be hosting a reception on Saturday, March 26, from 1 p.m. to
4 p.m., in the KSP Gallery that is open to the public. The images exhibited
were inspired under the tutelage of Richard Dischler as part of his on-going
Pre-Visualization and Mentoring Workshops at KSP. 

There are 12 artists represented in this exhibit, displaying some varied yet
interesting styles. 

Please come out for a little wine, some snacks, and some great art.

If any of you show up please ask for me -- Rusty Sterling. I'd love to meet
any of you who attend.





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Re: Framing with no mat or spacer

2011-03-19 by tboleyyh

actually I've seen quite a bit of large inkjet works framed that way, with plexi. The papers were always fairly textured and porous fine art matte, and the entire sandwich not air tight (porous materials as backing too).
The problem I would worry about is that these prints "perspire" well into later life if hit with direct sun, moisture forming at that papersurface/plexi transition would definitely create stains.
If they buy the prints it's their decision, and all you can do is warn them of possible consequences.
Obvioulsy it would not be wise to do it with photo surface papers.
Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Arthur Fink <af@...> wrote:
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>
> 
> A client has asked for one of my prints framed with no mat, and no spacer.
> 
> I'm hesitant to do this -- worried that the print-glass junction 
> could be a problem.  Would there be condensation, moire rings, 
> mildew?  Would the print buckle a bit and leave a gap in some 
> places?  Or, or my fears groundless?
> 
> If I do end up using spacers of some kind, can you offer any 
> guidance?  Particular type, brand, style?
> 
> I print on matte papers -- typically proofing on EEM and final prints 
> on Moab Entrada Natural.  The brand may change, but this series won't 
> be printed on a gloss or semi-gloss paper.
> 
> 
> Thanks much,
> 
> 
> Arthur Fink
> 
>         Arthur Fink Photography
> 
>      Studio / Gallery in Portland, Maine, and also on Peaks Island
>      www.arthurfinkphoto.com af@...  207.615.5722
> 
>      Read, and comment on, my blog: www.InsightAndClarity.com
> 
>      Click on this link to 
> <http://visitor.constantcontact.com/manage/optin/ea?v=001RgvbKVLa7a7RR4E6BV8sKw%3D%3D>join 
> my e-mail 
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> (via Constant Contact)
>      for news about shows, art and spirit and creativity workshops,
>      creativity coaching, wedding, birth, and other event photography.
> 
>      E-mail returned?  Re-send to me at arthurfinkphoto@...
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: Framing with no mat or spacer

2011-03-19 by Mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "tboleyyh" <tyler@...> wrote:
>
> actually I've seen quite a bit of large inkjet works framed that way, with plexi. The papers were always fairly textured and porous fine art matte, and the entire sandwich not air tight (porous materials as backing too).
> The problem I would worry about is that these prints "perspire" well into later life if hit with direct sun, moisture forming at that papersurface/plexi transition would definitely create stains.
> If they buy the prints it's their decision, and all you can do is warn them of possible consequences.
> Obvioulsy it would not be wise to do it with photo surface papers.
> Tyler

I have a large inkjet print in my office done just this way in a gold frame (I like the borderless "painterly" look).  I plan on adding several samples with different microporous surface types into my real world print monitoring studies.  I monitor light, temperature and RH inside the frame package over long time periods.

 While the concerns expressed by others in this thread are real, I'm not so sure they apply to all inkjet papers. Traditional photographic emulsion use gelatin.  Gelatin is a unique polymer with a Tg (glass transition temperature) that varies with moisture content.  When the relative humidity reaches approximately 75% at normal room temperatures, the gelatin coating reverts to gel state, then later upon drying down again (ie. returning below Tg) it glues itself to the glazing if in direct contact. The phenomenon is often called ferrotyping, and this Tg issue is also what accounts for the silver ion diffusion that leaves the silver mirroring/tarnish look on many old B&W photos.  However, microporous inkjet papers aren't going to have these Tg issues whereas swellable inkjet papers have it to excess because they use a highly water soluble gelatin coating. So, for certain type inkjet papers with microporous coatings or acrylic overcoats,  direct contact may be perfectly safe. That said, I need to test my hypothesis with some real world print studies...now in progress.

cheers,
Mark
http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com

Re: [Digital BW] Group Exhibit at Keeble & Shuchat in Palo Alto

2011-03-19 by Rusty Sterling

Eric: LOL. I understand perfectly. I hope we can get a good turnout -- and I'm actually sure that we will. We've all been working for a year taking shots, reviewing them, honing our skills, all leading up to this exhibit. We put up the images on Thursday and the exhibit looks great. 

Rusty

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "E.Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
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>
> Rusty, It's a bit far to go today. But please tell John Clifton hello, and
> best of luck with a good turn out. 
> 
>  
> 
> Eric Neilsen
> 
> Eric Neilsen Photography
> 
> 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
> 
> Dallas, TX 75226
> 
>  
> 
> www.ericneilsenphotography.com
> 
> skype me with ejprinter
> 
> www.ericneilsenphotography.com/forum1
> 
> Let's Talk Photography
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rusty
> Sterling
> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:39 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Group Exhibit at Keeble & Shuchat in Palo Alto
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> I am part of a group exhibit at Keeble & Shuchat Photography that runs
> through April 13. We put up the exhibit, entitled "Rhythm," yesterday (March
> 17) and about half the exhibit is B&W. 
> 
> The group will be hosting a reception on Saturday, March 26, from 1 p.m. to
> 4 p.m., in the KSP Gallery that is open to the public. The images exhibited
> were inspired under the tutelage of Richard Dischler as part of his on-going
> Pre-Visualization and Mentoring Workshops at KSP. 
> 
> There are 12 artists represented in this exhibit, displaying some varied yet
> interesting styles. 
> 
> Please come out for a little wine, some snacks, and some great art.
> 
> If any of you show up please ask for me -- Rusty Sterling. I'd love to meet
> any of you who attend.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: Framing with no mat or spacer

2011-03-19 by Clayton Price

Hi Arthur -
You really don't need a commercial product to accomplish this. My method has been to cut  four strips of 
archival mat board to the width that the frame reaches into cover the print, or slightly narrower. Then you
can use a board the exact size if the print paper, behind it, the strips on top of the four sides, and the glass
on top of the that sandwich. The strips will be hidden under the frame, and the glass spaced above.

The complication can come, especially with glossy paper, if the print doesn't lie flat. Since most of us no
longer will dry mount prints, sometimes a slight curl will flatten out with the most minute amount of damp
sponge on the back of the print. I'm talking about the sponge being practically dry, and it should be laid on the 
entire back of the print, not just in sections.

Hope this helps,

Clay Price

Re: Framing with no mat or spacer

2011-03-20 by mrgs1001

Mark, thanks for chiming in with scientific explanation of what happens when  a photograph is framed against glass.  This will allow me to better help my customers. It was also interesting that you mentioned that it may not be an issue with inkjet. I am still concerned about mounting inkjets against glazing due to the condensation issue. An easy quick test could be done by just putting a few drops of water on an inkjet print and laying glass on top and leaving it for some time.  Regardless, the use of spacers has virtually no visual impact and little cost impact (less than mat board). Spacers can be purchased clear, white, and black so they are not noticeable in the frame.

Cheers,
Mark
http://www.framedestination.com/
http://www.facebook.com/FrameDestination


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <mark@...> wrote:
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> I have a large inkjet print in my office done just this way in a gold frame (I like the borderless "painterly" look).  I plan on adding several samples with different microporous surface types into my real world print monitoring studies.  I monitor light, temperature and RH inside the frame package over long time periods.
> 
>  While the concerns expressed by others in this thread are real, I'm not so sure they apply to all inkjet papers. Traditional photographic emulsion use gelatin.  Gelatin is a unique polymer with a Tg (glass transition temperature) that varies with moisture content.  When the relative humidity reaches approximately 75% at normal room temperatures, the gelatin coating reverts to gel state, then later upon drying down again (ie. returning below Tg) it glues itself to the glazing if in direct contact. The phenomenon is often called ferrotyping, and this Tg issue is also what accounts for the silver ion diffusion that leaves the silver mirroring/tarnish look on many old B&W photos.  However, microporous inkjet papers aren't going to have these Tg issues whereas swellable inkjet papers have it to excess because they use a highly water soluble gelatin coating. So, for certain type inkjet papers with microporous coatings or acrylic overcoats,  direct contact may be perfectly safe. That said, I need to test my hypothesis with some real world print studies...now in progress.
> 
> cheers,
> Mark
> http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com
>

Re: [Digital BW] Framing with no mat or spacer

2011-03-22 by mrjimbo

Arthur,
Your client is asking for trouble. Use a spacer.. You can purchase a spacer for this but often I just use a strip of acid free matt attached to the frame rabbit. Works fine.

jimbo
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  From: Arthur Fink 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:46 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Framing with no mat or spacer


    

  A client has asked for one of my prints framed with no mat, and no spacer.

  I'm hesitant to do this -- worried that the print-glass junction 
  could be a problem. Would there be condensation, moire rings, 
  mildew? Would the print buckle a bit and leave a gap in some 
  places? Or, or my fears groundless?

  If I do end up using spacers of some kind, can you offer any 
  guidance? Particular type, brand, style?

  I print on matte papers -- typically proofing on EEM and final prints 
  on Moab Entrada Natural. The brand may change, but this series won't 
  be printed on a gloss or semi-gloss paper.

  Thanks much,

  Arthur Fink

  Arthur Fink Photography

  Studio / Gallery in Portland, Maine, and also on Peaks Island
  www.arthurfinkphoto.com af@... 207.615.5722

  Read, and comment on, my blog: www.InsightAndClarity.com

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RE: [Digital BW] Framing with no mat or spacer

2011-03-22 by EJ Neilsen

I'd make sure the client knows that it is NOT recommended to present an
image this way and you will not warranty the print if displayed in that
manner. Suggest some other better ways. Have you thought about laminating to
plexi or glass( not my choice) with transparent adhesive? Or mounting to a
board to provide a rigid substrate to will prevent buckling.    

 

Eric Neilsen

4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9

Dallas, TX 75226

214-827-8301

 

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Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Framing with no mat or spacer

 

  

Arthur,
Your client is asking for trouble. Use a spacer.. You can purchase a spacer
for this but often I just use a strip of acid free matt attached to the
frame rabbit. Works fine.

jimbo
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From: Arthur Fink 
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Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:46 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Framing with no mat or spacer

A client has asked for one of my prints framed with no mat, and no spacer.

I'm hesitant to do this -- worried that the print-glass junction 
could be a problem. Would there be condensation, moire rings, 
mildew? Would the print buckle a bit and leave a gap in some 
places? Or, or my fears groundless?

If I do end up using spacers of some kind, can you offer any 
guidance? Particular type, brand, style?

I print on matte papers -- typically proofing on EEM and final prints 
on Moab Entrada Natural. The brand may change, but this series won't 
be printed on a gloss or semi-gloss paper.

Thanks much,

Arthur Fink

Arthur Fink Photography

Studio / Gallery in Portland, Maine, and also on Peaks Island
www.arthurfinkphoto.com af@...
<mailto:af%40arthurfinkphoto.com>  207.615.5722

Read, and comment on, my blog: www.InsightAndClarity.com

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sKw%3D%3D>join 
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