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2011-04-21 by frankg_photo
anyone had success with a pigment pen or similar for spotting gloss black? Prints have large areas of plain photo black and are ruined by the occasional white dot which may be from 'stuff' on the paper surface even though I wiped it carefully with a microfibre before printing.
2011-04-21 by Ernst Dinkla
On 04/21/2011 09:06 PM, frankg_photo wrote: > anyone had success with a pigment pen or similar for spotting gloss black? > Prints have large areas of plain photo black and are ruined by the occasional white dot which may be from 'stuff' on the paper surface even though I wiped it carefully with a microfibre before printing. > > Mars-Staedtler Marsmatic 700 ISO 0.13 mm or alike filled with inkjet ink. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Try: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/ | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | | www.pigment-print.com | | ( unvollendet ) |
2011-04-21 by frankg_photo
Thanks. I was hoping to not have to open a separate cartridge :-( --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla <edinkla@...> wrote:
> > On 04/21/2011 09:06 PM, frankg_photo wrote: > > anyone had success with a pigment pen or similar for spotting gloss black? > > Prints have large areas of plain photo black and are ruined by the occasional white dot which may be from 'stuff' on the paper surface even though I wiped it carefully with a microfibre before printing. > > > > > > Mars-Staedtler Marsmatic 700 ISO 0.13 mm or alike filled with inkjet ink. > > -- > Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst > > Try: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/ > > | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | > | www.pigment-print.com | > | ( unvollendet ) | >
2011-04-22 by frankg_photo
how do you fill the pen nyway...is it easy ? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla <edinkla@...> wrote:
> > On 04/21/2011 09:06 PM, frankg_photo wrote: > > anyone had success with a pigment pen or similar for spotting gloss black? > > Prints have large areas of plain photo black and are ruined by the occasional white dot which may be from 'stuff' on the paper surface even though I wiped it carefully with a microfibre before printing. > > > > > > Mars-Staedtler Marsmatic 700 ISO 0.13 mm or alike filled with inkjet ink. > > -- > Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst > > Try: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/ > > | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | > | www.pigment-print.com | > | ( unvollendet ) | >
2011-04-22 by Marks
try printing a small section of the effected area on a acetate media, such as pictorico trans, or absolute backlight, that will not absorb the ink , then you have the exact matching ink to spot the print with a good spotting brush. gloss black or any other tone will readily spot into the print media mark On Apr 21, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Ernst Dinkla wrote: > On 04/21/2011 09:06 PM, frankg_photo wrote: > > anyone had success with a pigment pen or similar for spotting > gloss black? > > Prints have large areas of plain photo black and are ruined by > the occasional white dot which may be from 'stuff' on the paper > surface even though I wiped it carefully with a microfibre before > printing. > > > > > > Mars-Staedtler Marsmatic 700 ISO 0.13 mm or alike filled with > inkjet ink. > > -- > Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst > > Try: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/ > > | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | > | www.pigment-print.com | > | ( unvollendet ) | > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-04-22 by Richard Smallfield
Hi, my printer's had a break for a couple of months and I had bad clogging problems (funnily enough they only started after the first three prints). I found cat hairs in the printer, so I think I should wipe under the head with a damp lint-free cloth in case there are any under there (maybe with glass cleaner on it?). My old 2100 was easy for this task - just push the cartridge change button and the head moved into the middle (if I remember correctly). But how is this done with the 3800? I've had a look online and found no instructions. thanks, Richard http://richardsmallfield.com
2011-04-22 by Richard Smallfield
Hi Frank, The best method I've found, that works perfectly once mastered, is to just do what you would with a silver gelatin print: some black retouching ink or watercolour paint (or some MIS or other make of pigment ink - or maybe you could extract enough by drilling holes in an old cartridge) and a very fine brush and some water. Put a drop of ink on a saucer, then dip the brush in water so it's moist, then dip it in the ink and make a smear on the saucer; then keep diluting the ink in this way and making serial dilutions on the saucer. My pro Silver Gelatin printer friend waits until the serial dilutions (which are just very thin smears on the saucer) have dried, so you have more control. Then build it up very slowly, starting with a very faint grey and growing darker. I found this method has solved the problem for me. I only started with digital printing, not wet printing, so I had to learn this old method for the first time. best of luck, Richard http://richardsmallfield.com
2011-04-22 by Ernst Dinkla
On 04/22/2011 02:35 AM, frankg_photo wrote: > > how do you fill the pen nyway...is it easy ? They are made to be filled by the user. Are cartridges really empty when declared empty these days ? A syringe is needed to pull the remaining ink out and fill the pen container. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Try: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/ | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | | www.pigment-print.com | | ( unvollendet ) |
2011-04-22 by Harry Lockwood
Richard, On the Epsons I've owned (now, the 2400), pulling the plug while the head is in motion, say, during a nozzle check, prevents it from locking up. Harry -- Harry F. Lockwood
2011-04-22 by jvee
I believe that there was a reference somewhere to a new pigment ink spotting pen set just for inkjet prints which was archival etc. Anybody recall this? J Vee On Apr 22, 2011, at 1:21 AM, Ernst Dinkla wrote: > On 04/22/2011 02:35 AM, frankg_photo wrote: > > > > how do you fill the pen nyway...is it easy ? > > They are made to be filled by the user. > > Are cartridges really empty when declared empty these days ? > A syringe is needed to pull the remaining ink out and fill the pen > container. > > -- > Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst > > Try: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/ > > | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | > | www.pigment-print.com | > | ( unvollendet ) | > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-04-22 by pdesmidt tds.net
Using the same ink that you print with makes a lot of sense, since if there's any changes over time the spotting ink and the print ink should change together. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-04-23 by robert wilkinson
I read somewhere awhile back You just reprint the section that needs retouching and use that ink to do the work Robert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-04-24 by frankg_photo
It would be interesting to know more about this method. Getting the print back in with perfect register may be a problem, even 1mm off would miss the 'spot'. What is the general idea...make a selection/s on the original file, copy it to a new file ad print that? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, robert wilkinson <restophoto@...> wrote:
> > I read somewhere awhile back You just reprint the section that needs retouching and use that ink to do the work > Robert > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2011-04-24 by mrjimbo
Print a partial image on velum ...The ink lays on top and stays wet. I don't think registration is realistically possible. ..I've used a wetted tiny artist brush to transfer.. Personally, I feel this is the long way around the bus in about 95% of the issues.. It is really helpful if you have a color that you can't match by other means.. You can also pic the area on the original to get that as a foreground color etc.. If your colors change where the issue is .. do that a few times to get a few color variants..Put each on the velum and print it. Then you have a pallet of color.. but you need to work fast.. Other options are as suggest the pens using actual inks..This too works well but personally I find cumbersome as it's to hard to mix actual inks to obtain a proper color.. Other options I use are: Sharpie Fine point permanent markers.. They make a set of maybe 30 colors.. for small ink pops this works great.. just dot the area until you have what you want don't try to color it.. Another way that I use on edges of gallery wraps especially is mixing acrylic artists paints.. you'd be surprised how well you can match a color after doing it for several years. This works especially well prior to spraying the canvas if you have an issue.. j
----- Original Message -----
From: frankg_photo
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] "spotting" K3 PK prints
It would be interesting to know more about this method.
Getting the print back in with perfect register may be a problem, even 1mm off would miss the 'spot'.
What is the general idea...make a selection/s on the original file, copy it to a new file ad print that?
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, robert wilkinson <restophoto@...> wrote:
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> I read somewhere awhile back You just reprint the section that needs retouching and use that ink to do the work
> Robert
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2011-04-26 by E.Neilsen
Coming out of the darkroom side of production, I am quite used to grabbing my spotting brushes; 0 to 00000 in size. If you have been printing for any period of time, you'll have the "empty" carts around and one of them should supply you with enough color to last a life time of spotting. a small piece of plexi, a plate, a scrap piece of glass and some distilled water and you are ready to go. Practice on a scrap piece of paper to get eh wetness and color density right. Eric Neilsen Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 www.ericneilsenphotography.com skype me with ejprinter www.ericneilsenphotography.com/forum1 Let's Talk Photography _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mrjimbo Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:07 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] "spotting" K3 PK prints Print a partial image on velum ...The ink lays on top and stays wet. I don't think registration is realistically possible. ..I've used a wetted tiny artist brush to transfer.. Personally, I feel this is the long way around the bus in about 95% of the issues.. It is really helpful if you have a color that you can't match by other means.. You can also pic the area on the original to get that as a foreground color etc.. If your colors change where the issue is .. do that a few times to get a few color variants..Put each on the velum and print it. Then you have a pallet of color.. but you need to work fast.. Other options are as suggest the pens using actual inks..This too works well but personally I find cumbersome as it's to hard to mix actual inks to obtain a proper color.. Other options I use are: Sharpie Fine point permanent markers.. They make a set of maybe 30 colors.. for small ink pops this works great.. just dot the area until you have what you want don't try to color it.. Another way that I use on edges of gallery wraps especially is mixing acrylic artists paints.. you'd be surprised how well you can match a color after doing it for several years. This works especially well prior to spraying the canvas if you have an issue.. j ----- Original Message ----- From: frankg_photo To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] "spotting" K3 PK prints It would be interesting to know more about this method. Getting the print back in with perfect register may be a problem, even 1mm off would miss the 'spot'. What is the general idea...make a selection/s on the original file, copy it to a new file ad print that? --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> , robert wilkinson <restophoto@...> wrote: > > I read somewhere awhile back You just reprint the section that needs retouching and use that ink to do the work > Robert > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-04-26 by Ernst Dinkla
For B&W spotting I find the refillable drawing pens very adequate. I have one with PK black and another one with the lightest HP grey ink. That is enough. I use the black one for color prints too but prefer a box of good quality watercolor pencils for spotting the color flaws in matte prints. Pencil sharpener and a wet sponge at hand. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Try: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wide_Inkjet_Printers/ | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | | www.pigment-print.com | | ( unvollendet ) |
2011-05-02 by c1asia
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