Digital BW, The Print

Hi,
I recently bought the Spyder3 Studio calibration kit - mainly because 
of the extended greys target that is a colour management option.

I've just done my first proofs - with ABW, QTR and Extended Greys (ie 
- the Epson colour driver) - the Extended Greys result is fantastic - 
it's definitely the easiest way to get a dead neutral print from OEM inks.

The only drawback is the use of more colour inks with this workflow - 
I'll do a fade test from the three workflows to see how much colour 
shifts are an issue.

I've read that the colour driver has less dmax than the ABW driver, 
but any impact on dmax wasn't obvious in my proofs - it was 
overshadowed by the excellent neutrality.

Just thought I'd share this,
Richard
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Thank you Richard. I feel that the S3Print SR solution for B&W is very under appreciated, so I'm always glad when someone else sees its merit. Its also great for tints and cross tints, I hope you will try those functions as well. This list is mainly tinkerers, and this solution, while offering lots of options, is not really a hardware tinkering tool, more of a software tinkering tool, so it does not suit many on the list. That might explain why you haven't heard more about it. 

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Imaging Color Solutions
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@...

On Oct 16, 2011, at 6:10 PM, Richard Smallfield <rich_s@...> wrote:

> Hi,
> I recently bought the Spyder3 Studio calibration kit - mainly because 
> of the extended greys target that is a colour management option.
> 
> I've just done my first proofs - with ABW, QTR and Extended Greys (ie 
> - the Epson colour driver) - the Extended Greys result is fantastic - 
> it's definitely the easiest way to get a dead neutral print from OEM inks.
> 
> The only drawback is the use of more colour inks with this workflow - 
> I'll do a fade test from the three workflows to see how much colour 
> shifts are an issue.
> 
> I've read that the colour driver has less dmax than the ABW driver, 
> but any impact on dmax wasn't obvious in my proofs - it was 
> overshadowed by the excellent neutrality.
> 
> Just thought I'd share this,
> Richard
> _________________
> Richard Smallfield
> Photography: http://richardsmallfield.com
> EV+1 Blog: http://evplus1.blogspot.com/
> Developing Tank Blog: http://developingtank.blogspot.com/
> YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/RichardSmallfield 
> 
> 


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I've had good success with this method, as well.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thank you Richard. I feel that the S3Print SR solution for B&W is very
> under appreciated, so I'm always glad when someone else sees its merit. Its
> also great for tints and cross tints, I hope you will try those functions as
> well. This list is mainly tinkerers, and this solution, while offering lots
> of options, is not really a hardware tinkering tool, more of a software
> tinkering tool, so it does not suit many on the list. That might explain why
> you haven't heard more about it.
>
> C. D. Tobie
> Global Product Technology Mngr.
> Imaging Color Solutions
> Datacolor.com
> CDTobie@...
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2011, at 6:10 PM, Richard Smallfield <
> rich_s@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I recently bought the Spyder3 Studio calibration kit - mainly because
> > of the extended greys target that is a colour management option.
> >
> > I've just done my first proofs - with ABW, QTR and Extended Greys (ie
> > - the Epson colour driver) - the Extended Greys result is fantastic -
> > it's definitely the easiest way to get a dead neutral print from OEM
> inks.
> >
> > The only drawback is the use of more colour inks with this workflow -
> > I'll do a fade test from the three workflows to see how much colour
> > shifts are an issue.
> >
> > I've read that the colour driver has less dmax than the ABW driver,
> > but any impact on dmax wasn't obvious in my proofs - it was
> > overshadowed by the excellent neutrality.
> >
> > Just thought I'd share this,
> > Richard
> > _________________
> > Richard Smallfield
> > Photography: http://richardsmallfield.com
> > EV+1 Blog: http://evplus1.blogspot.com/
> > Developing Tank Blog: http://developingtank.blogspot.com/
> > YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/RichardSmallfield
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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On 10/16/2011 4:23 PM, pdesmidt tds.net wrote:
> I've had good success with this method, as well.
>

After tinkering with ABW for a long time, I adopted this method with
excellent success.   With regards to the amount of color ink used -
even ABW squirts more color than purists like.

Dana

Hi Dana,
Although it's early days for me with the Extended Grey profiles, one good thing that I've found about using the colour driver and Extended Grey profile is that, even if one ends up doing the final exhibition print with QTR or ABW, one can achieve a guaranteed neutral grey proof by using the Extended Grey profile, which is then a benchmark against which one can compare the hue of proofs done with such as ABW or QTR.

Richard

At 01:09 p.m. Monday 17/10/2011, you wrote:
>On 10/16/2011 4:23 PM, pdesmidt tds.net wrote:
>> I've had good success with this method, as well.
>>
>
>After tinkering with ABW for a long time, I adopted this method with
>excellent success. With regards to the amount of color ink used -
>even ABW squirts more color than purists like.
>
>Dana


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Photography:  http://richardsmallfield.com 
EV+1 Blog: http://evplus1.blogspot.com/
Developing Tank Blog: http://developingtank.blogspot.com/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/RichardSmallfield