David Kachel <david@...> wrote:
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> Matte only.
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> Just got off the phone with MIS. They tell me that the
> inks found on this
> page: http://www.inksupply.com/eb6.cfm
> are all exactly the same thing you refer to as "MIS carbon" inks?
Eboni-6 is my standard matte 100% carbon printing approach. However, if you want warmer, the MIS glossy-compatible 100% carbons -- K4 PK, LK, and LLK among them -- will give you a warmer image. The reason I like Eboni is that it's the least warm carbon. I've had the impression you want more warmth.
> So do I correctly assume that K, PK LK and LLK are all something
> else?
The MIS MK is almost always Eboni. The PK, LK, and LLK are a different carbon pigment. It's very small and thus very warm. While it's glossy compatible, they print very well on matte paper also. They also stay in suspension very well -- better than the Epson versions. Clogging is average with them. I have them in my 7800 and have never had a significant clog with them. I use them when I want a warmer print than Eboni-6 (also in the 7800) will produce.
> > You might consider modeling the all warm carbon printer
> > after the UT14 -- Eboni in K, PK in both M and C, LK in
> > both LM and LC, and then LLK in Y.
> Still confused. Are those all "MIS carbon" inks you refer to above?
Yes. Eboni MK (matte black) and the MIS PK, LK, LLK are all 100% carbon. There are also other MIS densities of this glossy carbon, but I tend to favor sticking with industry standard (roughly) densities these days.
> That is, are K, PK LK and LLK synonyms for "MIS carbon"?
Yes, but there are 2 families of MIS carbon. One is Eboni-based, and the other is MIS PK-based. I (and MIS) dilute down from those concentrates.
> Are there any dyes mixed into
> those inks if they are not the same?
There are no dyes in either of the above MIS carbon families.
(Note, advanced dyes may have stronger colors than some third party pigments. We need to re-adjust our thinking about dyes v. pigments with the new technologies. Third party carbon is great, however.)
> Can you tell me what inks to order, dilutions to make,
> printer positions for the cartridges (Epson 1400),
> to get met started?
You need to make a decision as to Eboni v. PK-based. If you want the warmest, go with the PK. If you are aiming at a sepia look, even though you think you want matte, once you see an MIS PK, LK, LLK print on Museo Silver Rag, you'll probably change your mind.
If you want the warmest matte (with Museo possible with a different profile type) try K=Eboni MK, C & M = MIS K4 PK, LM & LC = MIS K4 LK, and Y = MIS K4 LLK.
> I would prefer to dilute from one stock ink source if that
> will work, rather than buy already diluted.
I don't recommend DIY dilution for the MIS PK-based inks. You can use MIS glop as a dilution base, but you don't save anything. I've had mixed results using my generic base for MIS PK. First, you lose the glossy compatibility, and second, one long term trial with this approach ended up clogging a lot -- not sure if it was the mix, printer, or user. But with that track record and loss of glossy capability, I'd avoid user mixing of MIS PK. The bulk is cheap enough as is.
With Eboni the generic base has worked very well. Again, however, the MIS bulk prices are really quite good as is. I use MIS Eboni-6. But what I call "Carbon-6," to distinguish it from MIS's Eboni-6, is the cheapest route to the most lightfast yet smooth 100% carbon prints, and it has been extremely reliable in long term tests. Dilute Eboni may not be warm enough for you, however. It can be warm, but not close to what I consider a "sepia" look.
Paul
www.PaulRoark.com