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C88/EZ prints dark

2011-12-24 by cbabing3@sbcglobal.net

I run two black and white EZ setups with C88 printers - one with a CIS (BW1), one with cartridges (BW2).  The BW2 has always printed just slightly darker than the BW1, but it was close enough for my purposes.

I have refilled the BW2 carts three times in the last week (I'm printing hundreds of photos to bind up into books for family members).  Printing continued normally after each of the first two refills. But after the third one, BW2 immediately began to print MUCH darker than BW1 - in film terms I'd say probably two and perhaps three stops darker.  After an overnight cooling off period the results remained the same this morning.  So I swapped the BW2 EZ carts with the third C88 (C88 Color) I have that normally uses regular Epson OEM color carts.  After a couple of cleaning cycles and a purge print to get a good nozzle check, that printer now prints just as dark as BW2 did.  

So logic tells me that something went wrong with one or more of the carts during or after the last refill, although the process seemed to go perfectly normally.  But I'm wondering what it could be?  Has anyone else had this experience with the EZ inks in a C88 - a dramatic and instantaneous change in density?

Re: C88/EZ prints dark

2011-12-24 by Paul

I can't say I've had anything exactly like that, but I did have a similar occurrence with a different printer.  Of course, the first thing I'd check is that the refill was correct and K was not put into the midtone positions.

The inconsistencies I've recently dealt with concerned the 2 1400s I've been running from the same computer.  There seemed to be random, suddenly different printing characteristics displayed.  I suspected it was the drivers.  So, I deleted both of them and downloaded a new one from Epson and hooked up only one printer.  The random inconsistencies (mostly) disappeared.  

(The remaining random differences appear to be different in nature and relate to the inability to get totally consistent B&W output from color inks -- thus the minimum 50% K profile noted in my previous post.)

So, if both C88s are driven from the same computer, consider a fresh, single driver, and see if it has any effect on the problem.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "cbabing3@..." <cbabing3@...> wrote:
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> I run two black and white EZ setups with C88 printers - one with a CIS (BW1), one with cartridges (BW2).  The BW2 has always printed just slightly darker than the BW1, but it was close enough for my purposes.
> 
> I have refilled the BW2 carts three times in the last week (I'm printing hundreds of photos to bind up into books for family members).  Printing continued normally after each of the first two refills. But after the third one, BW2 immediately began to print MUCH darker than BW1 - in film terms I'd say probably two and perhaps three stops darker.  After an overnight cooling off period the results remained the same this morning.  So I swapped the BW2 EZ carts with the third C88 (C88 Color) I have that normally uses regular Epson OEM color carts.  After a couple of cleaning cycles and a purge print to get a good nozzle check, that printer now prints just as dark as BW2 did.  
> 
> So logic tells me that something went wrong with one or more of the carts during or after the last refill, although the process seemed to go perfectly normally.  But I'm wondering what it could be?  Has anyone else had this experience with the EZ inks in a C88 - a dramatic and instantaneous change in density?
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: C88/EZ prints dark

2011-12-25 by Kip Babington

Thanks for the suggestion, Paul.  I deleted all printers (I have 3 of 
'em) and all Epson folders I could find except for the one with the 
manual in it.  Then installed the new(est) driver - I think it still 
dates from 2006 or so - and powered up each printer in turn.  BW1 prints 
as it always has, while BW2 and Color print much darker - I had the EZ 
carts in Color when I did the printer reinstall, made a print, then 
moved the carts to BW2 and made a print there.  Both printers performed 
just as they did before the driver reinstall. 

I decided to fiddle with the settings on BW2, and found that if I use 
Brightness +20 and Contrast -20 the image starts to look something like 
what I used to get (and still get from BW1, where I've used Brightness 
-4 and Contrast -2 since my C84 days.)  So there's something 
substantially different now when using the carts.

I think the next step will be to prepare some new cartridges - the ones 
I've been using are several years old, but up until a few days ago 
seemed to be working just fine.  I just hate to mess with installing the 
chips, which is why I stretch the life as far as I can.

But not until next week. 

Merry Christmas to all.

Cheers,
Kip

Paul wrote:
>  
>
> I can't say I've had anything exactly like that, but I did have a 
> similar occurrence with a different printer. Of course, the first 
> thing I'd check is that the refill was correct and K was not put into 
> the midtone positions.
>
> The inconsistencies I've recently dealt with concerned the 2 1400s 
> I've been running from the same computer. There seemed to be random, 
> suddenly different printing characteristics displayed. I suspected it 
> was the drivers. So, I deleted both of them and downloaded a new one 
> from Epson and hooked up only one printer. The random inconsistencies 
> (mostly) disappeared.
>
> (The remaining random differences appear to be different in nature and 
> relate to the inability to get totally consistent B&W output from 
> color inks -- thus the minimum 50% K profile noted in my previous post.)
>
> So, if both C88s are driven from the same computer, consider a fresh, 
> single driver, and see if it has any effect on the problem.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>, 
> "cbabing3@..." <cbabing3@...> wrote:
> >
> > I run two black and white EZ setups with C88 printers - one with a 
> CIS (BW1), one with cartridges (BW2). The BW2 has always printed just 
> slightly darker than the BW1, but it was close enough for my purposes.
> >
> > I have refilled the BW2 carts three times in the last week (I'm 
> printing hundreds of photos to bind up into books for family members). 
> Printing continued normally after each of the first two refills. But 
> after the third one, BW2 immediately began to print MUCH darker than 
> BW1 - in film terms I'd say probably two and perhaps three stops 
> darker. After an overnight cooling off period the results remained the 
> same this morning. So I swapped the BW2 EZ carts with the third C88 
> (C88 Color) I have that normally uses regular Epson OEM color carts. 
> After a couple of cleaning cycles and a purge print to get a good 
> nozzle check, that printer now prints just as dark as BW2 did.
> >
> > So logic tells me that something went wrong with one or more of the 
> carts during or after the last refill, although the process seemed to 
> go perfectly normally. But I'm wondering what it could be? Has anyone 
> else had this experience with the EZ inks in a C88 - a dramatic and 
> instantaneous change in density?
> >
>
> 


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