Digital BW, The Print

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Walker Blackwell
802.821.4451

Hey everybody. I'd like to introduce you all to a new website that a few of us printmakers put together to talk about art, the state of inkjet, digital output, bw and more.

http://theagnosticprint.org

We are all opinionated people who may differ in our own ways but who acknowledge that the discussion and argument is essential and that dogma in the print-world is never that constructive.

Because we print for so many artists in so many different ways, we are open to many different workflows and have a background of using those many different workflows.

Jon Cone just published a pretty expansive essay on the state of monochrome pigment/carbon printing, archival thoughts, and more. It's an excellent read.

I hope you enjoy this labor of love that we give to the community.

All the best,
Walker Blackwell
Black Point Editions

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Walker Blackwell
802.821.4451

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Walker,

 

Many thanks for the link, it's a really enjoyable site, well worth anyone's
time to read.

 

David Whistance

From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Walker
Blackwell
Sent: 15 January 2012 17:53
To: Digital BW
Subject: [Digital BW] The Agnostic Print

 

  

Hey everybody. I'd like to introduce you all to a new website that a few of
us printmakers put together to talk about art, the state of inkjet, digital
output, bw and more.

http://theagnosticprint.org

We are all opinionated people who may differ in our own ways but who
acknowledge that the discussion and argument is essential and that dogma in
the print-world is never that constructive.

Because we print for so many artists in so many different ways, we are open
to many different workflows and have a background of using those many
different workflows.

Jon Cone just published a pretty expansive essay on the state of monochrome
pigment/carbon printing, archival thoughts, and more. It's an excellent
read.

I hope you enjoy this labor of love that we give to the community.

All the best,
Walker Blackwell
Black Point Editions

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Walker Blackwell
802.821.4451

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On 15/01/2012 12:52 PM, Walker Blackwell wrote:
> Hey everybody. I'd like to introduce you all to a new website that a few of us printmakers put together to talk about art, the state of inkjet, digital output, bw and more.
>
> http://theagnosticprint.org
>
It's a informative and nicely laid out site. It would be more accessible 
(at least for the way I access online material), if it had an RSS feed.


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On 19.01.2012 8:49 AM, Tom Moore wrote:
> It's a informative and nicely laid out site. It would be more accessible
> (at least for the way I access online material), if it had an RSS feed.

It does have an RSS feed. See http://theagnosticprint.org/feed/

-- 

Peter Marquis-Kyle

Hi Walter,
thanks for telling us about the site.

I tried to print out the POD article, but I 
couldn't get it to do so without the line ends going off the side of the page.
http://theagnosticprint.org/print-on-demand-developing-new-curriculum-for-photographic-education/ 


Is a pdf version possible?

thanks,
Richard

At 06:52 a.m. Monday 16/01/2012, you wrote:
>
>
>Hey everybody. I'd like to introduce you all to 
>a new website that a few of us printmakers put 
>together to talk about art, the state of inkjet, digital output, bw and more.
>
>http://theagnosticprint.org
>
>We are all opinionated people who may differ in 
>our own ways but who acknowledge that the 
>discussion and argument is essential and that 
>dogma in the print-world is never that constructive.
>
>Because we print for so many artists in so many 
>different ways, we are open to many different 
>workflows and have a background of using those many different workflows.
>
>Jon Cone just published a pretty expansive essay 
>on the state of monochrome pigment/carbon 
>printing, archival thoughts, and more. It's an excellent read.
>
>I hope you enjoy this labor of love that we give to the community.
>
>All the best,
>Walker Blackwell
>Black Point Editions
>
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>Walker Blackwell
>802.821.4451
>
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>
>

________________
Richard Smallfield
Photography:  http://richardsmallfield.com
EV+1 Blog: http://evplus1.blogspot.com/
Developing Tank Blog: http://developingtank.blogspot.com/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/RichardSmallfield/featured  

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I will fix the print css pronto. It's a new site and I'm working out the bugs now. ps: the site is totally not built for IE 6 or 7.0

Best,
Walker

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Walker Blackwell
802.821.4451

On Jan 18, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Richard Smallfield <rich@...> wrote:

> Hi Walter,
> thanks for telling us about the site.
> 
> I tried to print out the POD article, but I 
> couldn't get it to do so without the line ends going off the side of the page.
> http://theagnosticprint.org/print-on-demand-developing-new-curriculum-for-photographic-education/ 
> 
> Is a pdf version possible?
> 
> thanks,
> Richard
> 
> At 06:52 a.m. Monday 16/01/2012, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Hey everybody. I'd like to introduce you all to 
> >a new website that a few of us printmakers put 
> >together to talk about art, the state of inkjet, digital output, bw and more.
> >
> >http://theagnosticprint.org
> >
> >We are all opinionated people who may differ in 
> >our own ways but who acknowledge that the 
> >discussion and argument is essential and that 
> >dogma in the print-world is never that constructive.
> >
> >Because we print for so many artists in so many 
> >different ways, we are open to many different 
> >workflows and have a background of using those many different workflows.
> >
> >Jon Cone just published a pretty expansive essay 
> >on the state of monochrome pigment/carbon 
> >printing, archival thoughts, and more. It's an excellent read.
> >
> >I hope you enjoy this labor of love that we give to the community.
> >
> >All the best,
> >Walker Blackwell
> >Black Point Editions
> >
> >-------------------
> >Walker Blackwell
> >802.821.4451
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> 
> ________________
> Richard Smallfield
> Photography: http://richardsmallfield.com
> EV+1 Blog: http://evplus1.blogspot.com/
> Developing Tank Blog: http://developingtank.blogspot.com/
> YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/RichardSmallfield/featured 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 


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Hi Walker,
thanks - I was using Chrome, if that's any help.

PS - don't tell Walter!

Whoops,
Richard

At 02:59 p.m. Thursday 19/01/2012, you wrote:
>  I will fix the print css pronto. It's a new site and I'm working 
> out the bugs now. ps: the site is totally not built for IE 6 or 7.0
>
>Best,
>Walker
>On Jan 18, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Richard Smallfield 
><<mailto:rich%40richardsmallfield.com>rich@...> wrote:
> > Hi Walter,
> > thanks for telling us about the site.
> >
> > I tried to print out the POD article, but I
> > couldn't get it to do so without the line ends going off the side 
> of the page.
> > 
> <http://theagnosticprint.org/print-on-demand-developing-new-curriculum-for-photographic-education/>http://theagnosticprint.org/print-on-demand-developing-new-curriculum-for-photographic-education/ 
>
> >
> > Is a pdf version possible?
> >
> > thanks,
> > Richard

________________
Richard Smallfield
Photography:  http://richardsmallfield.com
EV+1 Blog: http://evplus1.blogspot.com/
Developing Tank Blog: http://developingtank.blogspot.com/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/RichardSmallfield/featured  

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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walker Blackwell <forums@...> wrote:
>
> Hey everybody. I'd like to introduce you all to a new website that a few of us printmakers put together to talk about art, the state of inkjet, digital output, bw and more.
> 
> http://theagnosticprint.org


Walter, 

Kudos. This is a great effort, and I commend all involved in getting this fantastic resource for serious amateur and professional printmakers started. That said, in reading over a few of the articles there are numerous factual errors and/or opinions that deserve some rebuttal.  I guess I'd stop short of saying you need a forum on this site, but you do need some sort of readership feedback mechanism that doesn't seem to be present as of yet.

cheers,
Mark
http/www.aardenburg-imaging.com

As we know all to well on this list, facts, errors, and need-for-rebuttals are often in the eyes of the beholder. You are, however, most likely correct on a number of points related to content on TAP. We have thought about having a robust discussion/comment list (it is indeed programmed by me at this moment) but we want it to be reasoned, articulate, and respectful of all the members involved in the discussion: something that more free-wheeling communities like DigitalBW don't always offer. So we are leaving it out until we can make it right. It's not worth breaking the site before it reaches its potential.

It gets sticky when individuals talk about technology and art. There's a black box mentality involved behind the curtain and when one person pulls a bit of that curtain away, another practitioner might personally disagree with the work going on behind without understanding the reasons. This happens a lot on this forum and some members become labeled "elitists" by the community while others become more and more reactionary to any outside views. While I might use different methods or think that some things might be wrong on TAP, I have to remember it's mostly opinion. (It's why we chose the word Agnostic.)

However, I am more than willing to take fact-check comments on articles on "the forums" (Epson Wide Format, DigitalBW, ScanHighEnd, what-have-you) related to specifics and facts, mis-quotes, etc. (If a member here thinks it's more of a personal disagreement, please just email me directly instead of starting a flame war. Better yet, write an article on a blog about it.) Our editorial process is somewhat individual as this is a group effort without one person doing all the work. We all read the articles and email each-other and the author if we see factual issues but it's not a formal process. It's more of a blog and it's easier to put up quick articles that way.

I'm glad it's gotten a warm reception.

All the best,

Walker (Yes, that is with a "k" all these seven years that I've been posting here. Please remember that everyone. Not Walter.)

back to QTR land.

On Jan 19, 2012, at 10:05 PM, Mark wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walker Blackwell <forums@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey everybody. I'd like to introduce you all to a new website that a few of us printmakers put together to talk about art, the state of inkjet, digital output, bw and more.
> > 
> > http://theagnosticprint.org
> 
> Walter, 
> 
> Kudos. This is a great effort, and I commend all involved in getting this fantastic resource for serious amateur and professional printmakers started. That said, in reading over a few of the articles there are numerous factual errors and/or opinions that deserve some rebuttal. I guess I'd stop short of saying you need a forum on this site, but you do need some sort of readership feedback mechanism that doesn't seem to be present as of yet.
> 
> cheers,
> Mark
> http/www.aardenburg-imaging.com
> 
> 



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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walker Blackwell <forums@...> wrote:

> I'm glad it's gotten a warm reception.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Walker (Yes, that is with a "k" all these seven years that I've been posting here. Please remember that everyone. Not Walter.)
> 
> back to QTR land.

Walker, My sincere apology for mispelling your name (my fingers went there on the keyboard when my brain new better).  The Agnostic Print is already a great website and resource for printmakers.  My criticism was well intentioned but misguided. I know how hard you all had to work to pull all that good information together.

cheers,
Mark
http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com

Well had a look, it looks an interesting venture
Will keep an eye on it methinks

Sl\ufffdinte
IAK

Iain Kirk
Senior Technician/Lab Manager
Neurobiology Group
Institute of Translational Medicine
University of liverpool
UK

Hi Mark, well I see this as sort of Op/Ed... for me anyway. The others are on their own but were heavily scrutinized by me for years in advance. I guess I think this needs to provide reader feedback or comment about as much as Fred Picker's newsletter used to...
Keep in mind Walker is younger and much more polite than I, or the long gone Fred.
Here's something you may enjoy-

http://nearbycafe.com/artandphoto/photocritic/?p=10394

Banter aside, this is really a work of love and commitment, and I'm thrilled to have met all these guys and be a part of it. The forums remain active and play their part.

Tyler

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <mark@...> wrote:

>
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walker Blackwell <forums@> wrote:
> 
> > I'm glad it's gotten a warm reception.
> > 
> > All the best,
> > 
> > Walker (Yes, that is with a "k" all these seven years that I've been posting here. Please remember that everyone. Not Walter.)
> > 
> > back to QTR land.
> 
> Walker, My sincere apology for mispelling your name (my fingers went there on the keyboard when my brain new better).  The Agnostic Print is already a great website and resource for printmakers.  My criticism was well intentioned but misguided. I know how hard you all had to work to pull all that good information together.
> 
> cheers,
> Mark
> http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com
>

Hi Mark,

Thanks for taking the time to read some of this. 

If you have some ideas about correcting some of the content we would like to have your input, particularly when it comes to image stability and your area of expertise where in my opinion you are the man. You can email any of us anytime.

Each of the writers are responsible for editing our own words. Since we are spending most of our days with ink on our fingers and removing cotton dust from our print heads, it can be easy to overlook things that might be obvious to you.

John

> Kudos. This is a great effort, and I commend all involved in getting this fantastic resource for serious amateur and professional printmakers started. That said, in reading over a few of the articles there are numerous factual errors and/or opinions that deserve some rebuttal.  I guess I'd stop short of saying you need a forum on this site, but you do need some sort of readership feedback mechanism that doesn't seem to be present as of yet.
> 
> cheers,
> Mark
> http/www.aardenburg-imaging.com
>