Digital BW, The Print

To the group - 

I wanted to take the "pulse" of the group:  is there an interest in 
Concorde Rag in white (in addition to the current softwhite)?  Would 
you be interested in a heavier weight, or the current 181gsm?

Joshua Levine
Legion Paper

Put me down for a few "yesses" also.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., levij@l... wrote:
> To the group - 
> 
> I wanted to take the "pulse" of the group:  is there an interest in 
> Concorde Rag in white (in addition to the current softwhite)?  
Would 

> you be interested in a heavier weight, or the current 181gsm?
> 
> Joshua Levine
> Legion Paper

> To the group - 
> 
> I wanted to take the "pulse" of the group:  is there an interest in
> Concorde Rag in white (in addition to the current softwhite)?  Would
> you be interested in a heavier weight, or the current 181gsm?

Where would that place it relative to Photo Matte? I find the base "white"
of Photo Matte too cool, but Concord Rag too warm.

My preference would be for something around the color of Somerset Enhanced
(the old, haven't seen the new), but with better blacks and less texture
than SE, but more tooth than LPM. In general I prefer a heavier paper.

Could you review the changes to the legion line that have occurred recently
and how the papers relate to each other in terms of color, weight, surface,
and Dmax? I heard that SE got a facelift, and the original SE got a name
change, and I've been uncertain of what's what ever since.

Thanks,
Todd Flashner

Todd - 

The Concorde we are considering would be exactly what you said.
  - Not as bright white as LPM
  - Not as smooth as LPM
  - Smoother than Somerset Photo Enhanced (SPE)
  - Not as creamy as Concorde Rag
  - Better blacks than SPE
  - Weight tbd (suggestions?)

As for the Legion line, you can find the information in Antonis' 
database, or on http://www.legionpaper.com 

As for your specific question about the changes in the line:
  - We introduced Legion Photo Matte, Legion Photo Gloss in
    sheets and rolls
  - We introduced Legion Photo Canvas Cover in 8.5x11
  - We introduced Somerset Photo Enhanced in textured sheets
    and rolls  
  - We added 13"x33' rolls of SPE Velvet
  - Based on user feedback, the surface of SPE Velvet was made
    slightly smoother.  Boxes are labelled as "Improved Surface"
   (The "old" surface is still available in 255gsm).
  - We introduced Concorde Rag in 24" rolls

Each of the current desktop grades is available in our Digital Art 
Paper Sampler.  

If you have any other questions, feel free to e-mail me offline.

Joshua Levine
Legion Paper

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Todd Flashner <tflash@e...> 
wrote:
> Where would that place it relative to Photo Matte? I find the 
base "white"
> of Photo Matte too cool, but Concord Rag too warm.
> 
> My preference would be for something around the color of Somerset 
Enhanced
> (the old, haven't seen the new), but with better blacks and less 
texture
> than SE, but more tooth than LPM. In general I prefer a heavier 
paper.
> 
> Could you review the changes to the legion line that have occurred 
recently
> and how the papers relate to each other in terms of color, weight, 
surface,
> and Dmax? I heard that SE got a facelift, and the original SE got a 
name

> change, and I've been uncertain of what's what ever since.
> 
> Thanks,
> Todd Flashner

Joshua,

If you want to poll the users, I can set one up for you in 
the "Polls" section on the group homepage. There is currently a poll 
running at the request of Robert Rex of Crane to assess the market 
for paper in panorama sizes.

If you would like to try this check out the current poll, send me the 
question you would like to ask and the multiple-choice answers. A 
user can only vote for one as the software is constructed.

Martin


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., levij@l... wrote:
> Todd - 
> 
> The Concorde we are considering would be exactly what you said.
>   - Not as bright white as LPM
>   - Not as smooth as LPM
>   - Smoother than Somerset Photo Enhanced (SPE)
>   - Not as creamy as Concorde Rag
>   - Better blacks than SPE
>   - Weight tbd (suggestions?)
> 
> As for the Legion line, you can find the information in Antonis' 
> database, or on http://www.legionpaper.com 
> 
> As for your specific question about the changes in the line:
>   - We introduced Legion Photo Matte, Legion Photo Gloss in
>     sheets and rolls
>   - We introduced Legion Photo Canvas Cover in 8.5x11
>   - We introduced Somerset Photo Enhanced in textured sheets
>     and rolls  
>   - We added 13"x33' rolls of SPE Velvet
>   - Based on user feedback, the surface of SPE Velvet was made
>     slightly smoother.  Boxes are labelled as "Improved Surface"
>    (The "old" surface is still available in 255gsm).
>   - We introduced Concorde Rag in 24" rolls
> 
> Each of the current desktop grades is available in our Digital Art 
> Paper Sampler.  
> 
> If you have any other questions, feel free to e-mail me offline.
> 
> Joshua Levine
> Legion Paper
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Todd Flashner 
<tflash@e...> 
> wrote:
> > Where would that place it relative to Photo Matte? I find the 
> base "white"
> > of Photo Matte too cool, but Concord Rag too warm.
> > 
> > My preference would be for something around the color of Somerset 
> Enhanced
> > (the old, haven't seen the new), but with better blacks and less 
> texture
> > than SE, but more tooth than LPM. In general I prefer a heavier 
> paper.
> > 
> > Could you review the changes to the legion line that have 
occurred 
> recently
> > and how the papers relate to each other in terms of color, 
weight, 
> surface,
> > and Dmax? I heard that SE got a facelift, and the original SE got 
a 

> name
> > change, and I've been uncertain of what's what ever since.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Todd Flashner

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., levij@l... wrote:
> To the group - 
> 
> I wanted to take the "pulse" of the group:  is there an interest in 
> Concorde Rag in white (in addition to the current softwhite)?  Would 
> you be interested in a heavier weight, or the current 181gsm?
> 
> Joshua Levine
> Legion Paper

Joshua, thank you for soliciting user opinions. I would be the dissenting (as usual) vote. Us 3000 users (there are what... 2 or 
3?) have big problems with anything approaching 300gsm. Though a bit more weight would be more luxurious, the old 
Concorde works very well in a 3000 at it's current weight, as did Somerset Enhanced (pre update).
Tyler

Joshua,

if you make CR white and heavy would it be that different than other papers 
competing for white with a soft texture?

If I had to vote, I would vote for the present color but much heavier 
(approaching 300 gsm).

One of the problems with CR and piezoBW has been a tendency to mottle or 
just get "noisy" in the deeper blacks. If that could be addressed in an upgrade, 
it could make it more useful with some images.

Thanks for soliciting our input!

Antonis



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., levij@l... wrote:

> To the group - 
> 
> I wanted to take the "pulse" of the group:  is there an interest in 
> Concorde Rag in white (in addition to the current softwhite)?  Would 
> you be interested in a heavier weight, or the current 181gsm?
> 
> Joshua Levine
> Legion Paper

Concord Rag is my favorite.  Both whiter and heavier versions would be
welcome supplements to the current as long as the rich blacks and smooth
texture aren't diminished.

STEPHEN    JENNINGS
    P h o t o g r a p h e r
       Cambridge, MA
sgjennin@...

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> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:38:08 -0000
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> Subject: [Digital BW] Concorde Rag - White?
> 
> To the group - 
> 
> I wanted to take the "pulse" of the group:  is there an interest in
> Concorde Rag in white (in addition to the current softwhite)?  Would
> you be interested in a heavier weight, or the current 181gsm?
> 
> Joshua Levine
> Legion Paper
> 
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