Digital BW, The Print

Has anyone tried the Ink Thrift encapsulated dye inks that Inkjetmall
sells?  They're supposed to be waterproof:

http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.362672/sc.29/category.-129/it.C/.f

"Encapsulated dyes"?  OK, that's a new one.

I hope what they are is like the Claria/Noritsu dyes, but I'd say the
burden of proof is on any dye seller to support longevity claims.  We just
heard a report about the MIS dyes today - not good.

I do agree that for many uses dyes can be outstanding.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com



On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:47 AM, pdesmidt tds.net <pdesmidt@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Has anyone tried the Ink Thrift encapsulated dye inks that Inkjetmall
> sells? They're supposed to be waterproof:
>
> http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.362672/sc.29/category.-129/it.C/.f
>  
>


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Paul: 

Is it possible to share a link for the report on the MIS inks? I've been using them for several years. They are inexpensive but do fade. I'm no pro, but I think my work is starting to gain some respect. I should probably be moving to more light-fast products. 

I noted your comments on my 2K2LK fiasco. I don't know if I'm going to go for the Norisco ink. It's a pretty big investment and I have other B&W options. Maybe MIS would like to sell it in smaller volumes along with your clearbase solution?

As for the new inks from inkjetmall.com, that's Jon Cone's outfit, as I'm sure you know, and they have a good reputation. I'd be very interested to try a high longevity ink to replace MIS when they develop one for he Espon 1400. Who knows, they may come up with a black that works well with the 2K2LK, is easy to purchase and has longevity. 

Homer Shannon


>

 heard a report about the MIS dyes today - not good.
>

remononaz1 <homershannon@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> ... MIS inks ... They are inexpensive but do fade.
>

I don't know of public, high qualtiy tests of the various dye competitors,
aside from Epson's and HP's, both of which are at the high end of the dye
spectrum.  I think your own experiences are consistent with what I've
experienced and seen relative to what I'd call traditional or older dye
technology.  I think the burden is on sellers.


I'm no pro, but I think my work is starting to gain some respect. I should
> probably be moving to more light-fast products.
>

My views are rather well know in that respect.  How much one wants to
compromise is rather subjective and dependent on how long you want an image
to last.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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I may be missing something, but do you have a longer-lasting replacement
for the MIS dyes?  Are the dyes different from the MIS inks?  I don't want
to sell a photo to have it fade or disappear faster than normal.  Thanks so
much for all your assistance.
On Sep 6, 2012 12:12 PM, "Paul Roark" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> "Encapsulated dyes"? OK, that's a new one.
>
> I hope what they are is like the Claria/Noritsu dyes, but I'd say the
> burden of proof is on any dye seller to support longevity claims. We just
> heard a report about the MIS dyes today - not good.
>
> I do agree that for many uses dyes can be outstanding.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:47 AM, pdesmidt tds.net <pdesmidt@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Has anyone tried the Ink Thrift encapsulated dye inks that Inkjetmall
> > sells? They're supposed to be waterproof:
> >
> > http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.362672/sc.29/category.-129/it.C/.f
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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Pamela Holt <pamela39934@...> wrote:

> ... do you have a longer-lasting replacement for the MIS dyes?

Most of my prints are made with either MIS carbon pigment inks (see
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf) or Epson/Noritsu dyes
(see http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Claria-Noritsu-2K2LK.pdf
and http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Claria-BW.pdf).

I do not have a replacement for MIS dyes in the sense of having a
source for a dye ink that is as inexpensive as the MIS dyes.  However,
I'm willing to pay more for better performance.  So, I buy the Noritsu
carts -- 500 ml for $187.   This is about 1/3 the cost of buying black
Claria carts.  When it's diluted to make an "LK" dye ink, it's much
cheaper than Claria.  Most, however, would probably not want to mess
with these large volumes and amounts.  So little color is used in B&W,
that I buy Claria carts for some positions.

>  Are the dyes different from the MIS inks?

Yes.  MIS makes a variety of inks.  I use mostly their carbon pigment
inks.  MIS has dye inks, but I do not use them.  The only dyes I've
used that I am comfortable with -- and only for markets where
longevity is not the main criteria -- are the Epson/Noritsu dyes.

Traditional dyes are much weaker than pigments.  I do not recommend
them for serious B&W work.  That said,
http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/ has tested the Epson Claria and HP
dyes.   Based on these tests and my own work, I am comfortable with
the Claria dyes, which appear to be the same as what Epson sells into
the Noritsu minilab market.  The Claria Black Only, when sprayed with
Print Shield produced test results that are in the general range of
Epson UC color pigments (unsprayed).  This is an interesting result,
to say the least.  That was the point of the testing information I
summarized in http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Claria-Fade-Tests.jpg.

I am unsure whether any third party company has access to dyes that
have the advanced chemistry needed to match the Epson Claria dyes.  No
doubt, sooner or later there will be equally good dyes on the market
for the smaller re-sellers, but the burden, in my view, is on them to
produce credible tests that show the comparative longevity of their
dyes.  Until I see credible evidence of good longevity, I will assume
the performance is closer to the traditional dyes.  I hope we do see
some comparative testing of third party dyes that show they are, in
fact, able to match the Claria dyes.  I don't enjoy paying more for
inks than I need to.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Thanks! Are these other inks already pre-diluted, or are there instructions
for that, also?  (I don't mind the extra cost or the extra work.  We are
more concerned with quality than anything else.)

BTW, I noticed that you have a donate button on your instructions.  Is that
through paypal, and which email address?
On Sep 7, 2012 6:10 PM, "Paul Roark" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Pamela Holt <pamela39934@...> wrote:
>
> > ... do you have a longer-lasting replacement for the MIS dyes?
>
> Most of my prints are made with either MIS carbon pigment inks (see
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf) or Epson/Noritsu dyes
> (see http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Claria-Noritsu-2K2LK.pdf
> and http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Claria-BW.pdf).
>
> I do not have a replacement for MIS dyes in the sense of having a
> source for a dye ink that is as inexpensive as the MIS dyes. However,
> I'm willing to pay more for better performance. So, I buy the Noritsu
> carts -- 500 ml for $187. This is about 1/3 the cost of buying black
> Claria carts. When it's diluted to make an "LK" dye ink, it's much
> cheaper than Claria. Most, however, would probably not want to mess
> with these large volumes and amounts. So little color is used in B&W,
> that I buy Claria carts for some positions.
>
> > Are the dyes different from the MIS inks?
>
> Yes. MIS makes a variety of inks. I use mostly their carbon pigment
> inks. MIS has dye inks, but I do not use them. The only dyes I've
> used that I am comfortable with -- and only for markets where
> longevity is not the main criteria -- are the Epson/Noritsu dyes.
>
> Traditional dyes are much weaker than pigments. I do not recommend
> them for serious B&W work. That said,
> http://www.aardenburg-imaging.com/ has tested the Epson Claria and HP
> dyes. Based on these tests and my own work, I am comfortable with
> the Claria dyes, which appear to be the same as what Epson sells into
> the Noritsu minilab market. The Claria Black Only, when sprayed with
> Print Shield produced test results that are in the general range of
> Epson UC color pigments (unsprayed). This is an interesting result,
> to say the least. That was the point of the testing information I
> summarized in http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Claria-Fade-Tests.jpg.
>
> I am unsure whether any third party company has access to dyes that
> have the advanced chemistry needed to match the Epson Claria dyes. No
> doubt, sooner or later there will be equally good dyes on the market
> for the smaller re-sellers, but the burden, in my view, is on them to
> produce credible tests that show the comparative longevity of their
> dyes. Until I see credible evidence of good longevity, I will assume
> the performance is closer to the traditional dyes. I hope we do see
> some comparative testing of third party dyes that show they are, in
> fact, able to match the Claria dyes. I don't enjoy paying more for
> inks than I need to.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>  
>


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Pamela Holt <pamela39934@...> wrote:

>  Are these other inks already pre-diluted, or are there instructions for that, also?

You will have to mix the inks.  The clear base can be either mixed by
you, or you can buy it from MIS.  See
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Claria-Noritsu-2K2LK.pdf for
instructions and links (footnotes on page 1).

See also footnote 5 for paper recommendations.  Until you've put your
nose into a 50 MP 13"x28" dye on metallic paper B&W, you can't
appreciate what our current digital technology can do.


> BTW, I noticed that you have a donate button on your instructions.  Is that through paypal ...

Yes, the button takes care of the addressing.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Okay, thanks for all you do.  Our internet has been out at home, so I'll be
on it this weekend to make the donation.  Take care!
On Sep 7, 2012 6:44 PM, "Paul Roark" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Pamela Holt <pamela39934@...> wrote:
>
> > Are these other inks already pre-diluted, or are there instructions for
> that, also?
>
> You will have to mix the inks. The clear base can be either mixed by
> you, or you can buy it from MIS. See
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Claria-Noritsu-2K2LK.pdf for
> instructions and links (footnotes on page 1).
>
> See also footnote 5 for paper recommendations. Until you've put your
> nose into a 50 MP 13"x28" dye on metallic paper B&W, you can't
> appreciate what our current digital technology can do.
>
> > BTW, I noticed that you have a donate button on your instructions. Is
> that through paypal ...
>
> Yes, the button takes care of the addressing.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>  
>


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I was unable to locate the 500 ml Noritsu black ink on Epson's website.  I
only saw a single cartridge, which I can pick up locally.  Do you have a
link?

Thanks for all your help, and the donation is on the way.

Pamela

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Pamela Holt <pamela39934@...> wrote:
>
> > Are these other inks already pre-diluted, or are there instructions for
> that, also?
>
> You will have to mix the inks. The clear base can be either mixed by
> you, or you can buy it from MIS. See
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Claria-Noritsu-2K2LK.pdf for
> instructions and links (footnotes on page 1).
>
> See also footnote 5 for paper recommendations. Until you've put your
> nose into a 50 MP 13"x28" dye on metallic paper B&W, you can't
> appreciate what our current digital technology can do.
>
> > BTW, I noticed that you have a donate button on your instructions. Is
> that through paypal ...
>
> Yes, the button takes care of the addressing.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
>  
>


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I went ahead and searched for a supplier.  Thanks, and have a great
weekend!
On Sep 8, 2012 7:16 PM, "Pamela Holt" <pamela39934@...> wrote:

> I was unable to locate the 500 ml Noritsu black ink on Epson's website.  I
> only saw a single cartridge, which I can pick up locally.  Do you have a
> link?
>
> Thanks for all your help, and the donation is on the way.
>
> Pamela
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Pamela Holt <pamela39934@...> wrote:
>>
>> > Are these other inks already pre-diluted, or are there instructions for
>> that, also?
>>
>> You will have to mix the inks. The clear base can be either mixed by
>> you, or you can buy it from MIS. See
>> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Claria-Noritsu-2K2LK.pdf for
>> instructions and links (footnotes on page 1).
>>
>> See also footnote 5 for paper recommendations. Until you've put your
>> nose into a 50 MP 13"x28" dye on metallic paper B&W, you can't
>> appreciate what our current digital technology can do.
>>
>> > BTW, I noticed that you have a donate button on your instructions. Is
>> that through paypal ...
>>
>> Yes, the button takes care of the addressing.
>>
>> Paul
>> www.PaulRoark.com
>>
>>  
>>
>
>


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I hope you found a supplier.  The appendix/page 12 of
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/BW-Dye.pdf has a list.

Paul

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Pamela Holt <pamela39934@...> wrote:
> I went ahead and searched for a supplier.  Thanks, and have a great
> weekend!
> On Sep 8, 2012 7:16 PM, "Pamela Holt" <pamela39934@...> wrote:
>
>> I was unable to locate the 500 ml Noritsu black ink on Epson's website.  I
>> only saw a single cartridge, which I can pick up locally.  Do you have a
>> link?
>>
>> Thanks for all your help, and the donation is on the way.
>>
>> Pamela
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> Pamela Holt <pamela39934@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Are these other inks already pre-diluted, or are there instructions for
>>> that, also?
>>>
>>> You will have to mix the inks. The clear base can be either mixed by
>>> you, or you can buy it from MIS. See
>>> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Claria-Noritsu-2K2LK.pdf for
>>> instructions and links (footnotes on page 1).
>>>
>>> See also footnote 5 for paper recommendations. Until you've put your
>>> nose into a 50 MP 13"x28" dye on metallic paper B&W, you can't
>>> appreciate what our current digital technology can do.
>>>
>>> > BTW, I noticed that you have a donate button on your instructions. Is
>>> that through paypal ...
>>>
>>> Yes, the button takes care of the addressing.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>> www.PaulRoark.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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I did, and thanks for everything!
On Sep 8, 2012 8:03 PM, "Paul Roark" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> I hope you found a supplier. The appendix/page 12 of
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/BW-Dye.pdf has a list.
>
> Paul
>
> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Pamela Holt <pamela39934@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I went ahead and searched for a supplier. Thanks, and have a great
> > weekend!
> > On Sep 8, 2012 7:16 PM, "Pamela Holt" <pamela39934@...> wrote:
> >
> >> I was unable to locate the 500 ml Noritsu black ink on Epson's website.
> I
> >> only saw a single cartridge, which I can pick up locally. Do you have a
> >> link?
> >>
> >> Thanks for all your help, and the donation is on the way.
> >>
> >> Pamela
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> **
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Pamela Holt <pamela39934@...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Are these other inks already pre-diluted, or are there instructions
> for
> >>> that, also?
> >>>
> >>> You will have to mix the inks. The clear base can be either mixed by
> >>> you, or you can buy it from MIS. See
> >>> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Claria-Noritsu-2K2LK.pdf for
> >>> instructions and links (footnotes on page 1).
> >>>
> >>> See also footnote 5 for paper recommendations. Until you've put your
> >>> nose into a 50 MP 13"x28" dye on metallic paper B&W, you can't
> >>> appreciate what our current digital technology can do.
> >>>
> >>> > BTW, I noticed that you have a donate button on your instructions. Is
> >>> that through paypal ...
> >>>
> >>> Yes, the button takes care of the addressing.
> >>>
> >>> Paul
> >>> www.PaulRoark.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Thanks for the donation!

Paul

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Pamela Holt <pamela39934@...> wrote:
> I did, and thanks for everything!
> On Sep 8, 2012 8:03 PM, "Paul Roark" <roark.paul@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> I hope you found a supplier. The appendix/page 12 of
>> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/BW-Dye.pdf has a list.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Pamela Holt <pamela39934@...> wrote:
>> > I went ahead and searched for a supplier. Thanks, and have a great
>> > weekend!
>> > On Sep 8, 2012 7:16 PM, "Pamela Holt" <pamela39934@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I was unable to locate the 500 ml Noritsu black ink on Epson's website.
>> I
>> >> only saw a single cartridge, which I can pick up locally. Do you have a
>> >> link?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for all your help, and the donation is on the way.
>> >>
>> >> Pamela
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> **
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Pamela Holt <pamela39934@...> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Are these other inks already pre-diluted, or are there instructions
>> for
>> >>> that, also?
>> >>>
>> >>> You will have to mix the inks. The clear base can be either mixed by
>> >>> you, or you can buy it from MIS. See
>> >>> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Claria-Noritsu-2K2LK.pdf for
>> >>> instructions and links (footnotes on page 1).
>> >>>
>> >>> See also footnote 5 for paper recommendations. Until you've put your
>> >>> nose into a 50 MP 13"x28" dye on metallic paper B&W, you can't
>> >>> appreciate what our current digital technology can do.
>> >>>
>> >>> > BTW, I noticed that you have a donate button on your instructions. Is
>> >>> that through paypal ...
>> >>>
>> >>> Yes, the button takes care of the addressing.
>> >>>
>> >>> Paul
>> >>> www.PaulRoark.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
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The least I could do.  Thanks for everything!
On Sep 8, 2012 8:20 PM, "Paul Roark" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Thanks for the donation!
>
> Paul
>
> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Pamela Holt <pamela39934@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I did, and thanks for everything!
> > On Sep 8, 2012 8:03 PM, "Paul Roark" <roark.paul@...> wrote:
> >
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> I hope you found a supplier. The appendix/page 12 of
> >> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/BW-Dye.pdf has a list.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Pamela Holt <pamela39934@...>
> wrote:
> >> > I went ahead and searched for a supplier. Thanks, and have a great
> >> > weekend!
> >> > On Sep 8, 2012 7:16 PM, "Pamela Holt" <pamela39934@...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I was unable to locate the 500 ml Noritsu black ink on Epson's
> website.
> >> I
> >> >> only saw a single cartridge, which I can pick up locally. Do you
> have a
> >> >> link?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for all your help, and the donation is on the way.
> >> >>
> >> >> Pamela
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> **
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Pamela Holt <pamela39934@...> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > Are these other inks already pre-diluted, or are there
> instructions
> >> for
> >> >>> that, also?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You will have to mix the inks. The clear base can be either mixed by
> >> >>> you, or you can buy it from MIS. See
> >> >>> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/1400-Claria-Noritsu-2K2LK.pdf for
> >> >>> instructions and links (footnotes on page 1).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> See also footnote 5 for paper recommendations. Until you've put your
> >> >>> nose into a 50 MP 13"x28" dye on metallic paper B&W, you can't
> >> >>> appreciate what our current digital technology can do.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > BTW, I noticed that you have a donate button on your
> instructions. Is
> >> >>> that through paypal ...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Yes, the button takes care of the addressing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Paul
> >> >>> www.PaulRoark.com
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> >
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