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Documounts (http://www.documounts.com/) seems to be out of business.  Does anyone have a recommended source for black, glossy, wood frames?

Thanks,

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

I've had good luck with: http://www.framedestination.com/

Peter

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Paul <roark.paul@...> wrote:

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> Documounts (http://www.documounts.com/) seems to be out of business. Does
> anyone have a recommended source for black, glossy, wood frames?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
>  
>


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Try:  http://www.framedestination.com/frame_gallery.html#wood   Not sure about glossy.


 

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 From: Paul <roark.paul@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 10:46 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Documounts replacement -- black wood frames
  
 
   
 
Documounts (http://www.documounts.com/) seems to be out of business.  Does anyone have a recommended source for black, glossy, wood frames?

Thanks,

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

   
         

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I have had great success with      http://www.metroframe.com   I have been using them for years.  Great quality and great service.

Paul

On Nov 5, 2012, at 9:50 AM, "pdesmidt tds.net" <pdesmidt@...> wrote:

> I've had good luck with: http://www.framedestination.com/
> 
> Peter
> 
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Paul <roark.paul@...> wrote:
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>> Documounts (http://www.documounts.com/) seems to be out of business. Does
>> anyone have a recommended source for black, glossy, wood frames?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Paul
>> www.PaulRoark.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Thanks for the recommendations Peter and Bruce. My company Frame Destination carries some of the same mats and backing that documounts carried, but I am not sure about the wood frames. We would be happy to send you some sample pieces so that you can check the color and finish though.

Cheers,
Mark
http://www.framedestination.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> Documounts (http://www.documounts.com/) seems to be out of business.  Does anyone have a recommended source for black, glossy, wood frames?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

The black wood frames I was using from Documounts were, according to them,
from Larson Juhl (sku 372285).  I could order these in paired pieces of any
sizes, and they used plastic locking pieces to assemble the final frame.
 (One receipt referred to them as "thumbnails.")  As such, it was easy to
make frames of any dimensions and shipping was easier.  When I look for
Larson Juhl frames, they appear to be all at local frame shops.  When I
look at the wood frames from the internet sellers, they all appear to be
pre-assembled frames.  If the pre-assembled are the right sizes, the prices
(before shipping) are often good, but I don't see the sizes I need -- for
example, the 13" x 28" size that I use for the high gloss panoramas that
are selling so well.

I don't mind giving my local shops the business.  In fact, I'd like to get
out of the framing business entirely.  However, most of my purchasers are
price sensitive and the framers end up making most of the money if they do
that work.  So for the time being, I think I'm going to have to continue
being a reluctant framer.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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I don't know if this would work, but could you buy direct from them?  See:
http://www.larsonjuhl.com/photographers.aspx


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Check Frame Destination dot com?

On 6 Nov 2012, at 15:01, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

The black wood frames I was using from Documounts were, according to them,
from Larson Juhl (sku 372285). I could order these in paired pieces of any
sizes, and they used plastic locking pieces to assemble the final frame.
(One receipt referred to them as "thumbnails.") As such, it was easy to
make frames of any dimensions and shipping was easier. When I look for
Larson Juhl frames, they appear to be all at local frame shops. When I
look at the wood frames from the internet sellers, they all appear to be
pre-assembled frames. If the pre-assembled are the right sizes, the prices
(before shipping) are often good, but I don't see the sizes I need -- for
example, the 13" x 28" size that I use for the high gloss panoramas that
are selling so well.

I don't mind giving my local shops the business. In fact, I'd like to get
out of the framing business entirely. However, most of my purchasers are
price sensitive and the framers end up making most of the money if they do
that work. So for the time being, I think I'm going to have to continue
being a reluctant framer.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

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Hi Paul,
It's tough not to be in the frame business for the reason of competative pricing you've mentioned. Larson Juhl typically only sells their stick to a "Store Front" .. I really like many of their offerings but if you get them thru a gallery your both marking it up. I have some really great black moldings that I use.. it's available as mat (don't like it) satin  (my favorite) or gloss.. Finger joined basswod construction so it stays straight...  It's a class molding and availbale in  3 differnt section widths ..I think it was put together specifically for B&W work.. It has been my standard here for B&W for some time.. 

The thumbnails your refering to are exactly that .. I have both an underpinner and a thumbnailer here.. While I prefer underpinning  their are some advantages to using a thumnailer.. primarily shipping. We do a lot of larger work her both for myself and other artists.. including lots of canvas.. The ship cost today on something in the area of say 32 x 40 or larger assembled is literally a joke.. so by using the thumbnailer  we can "kit" it and ship in a tube for typically 20% or less of the assembled ship cost. Just shipped a couple of large pieces to Japan this way..  

I'm of the belief that today that in many cases the package that we put around our art often gets in the way of selling it to a few areas of the art market.  I realize that we can go track down inexpensive framing but that is just what it looks like to me and it misrepresents everything that I believe in. At any rate I have no recourse here except to be involved in framing and stay as you a reluctant framer.. I could really use the space for something else and the $ if I sold all the stuff I use to do it.. Oh well..

jimbo

  From: Paul Roark 
  To: DigitalB&WPrint 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 8:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Documounts replacement -- black wood frames


    
  The black wood frames I was using from Documounts were, according to them,
  from Larson Juhl (sku 372285). I could order these in paired pieces of any
  sizes, and they used plastic locking pieces to assemble the final frame.
  (One receipt referred to them as "thumbnails.") As such, it was easy to
  make frames of any dimensions and shipping was easier. When I look for
  Larson Juhl frames, they appear to be all at local frame shops. When I
  look at the wood frames from the internet sellers, they all appear to be
  pre-assembled frames. If the pre-assembled are the right sizes, the prices
  (before shipping) are often good, but I don't see the sizes I need -- for
  example, the 13" x 28" size that I use for the high gloss panoramas that
  are selling so well.

  I don't mind giving my local shops the business. In fact, I'd like to get
  out of the framing business entirely. However, most of my purchasers are
  price sensitive and the framers end up making most of the money if they do
  that work. So for the time being, I think I'm going to have to continue
  being a reluctant framer.

  Paul
  www.PaulRoark.com

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I highly recommend Mark 


On 6 Nov 2012, at 13:55, mrgs1001 wrote:

> Thanks for the recommendations Peter and Bruce. My company Frame Destination carries some of the same mats and backing that documounts carried, but I am not sure about the wood frames. We would be happy to send you some sample pieces so that you can check the color and finish though.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mark
> http://www.framedestination.com
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <roark.paul@...> wrote:
> >
> > Documounts (http://www.documounts.com/) seems to be out of business. Does anyone have a recommended source for black, glossy, wood frames?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> 



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Documounts was owned by Larson and/or Larson and Documounts were owned by the same company after the founder of Documounts sold.

I understand about the desire for the ability to get frames un-assembled to reduce shipping cost. When I originally founded Frame Destination we only sold complete frames with mats so their was no advantage to the frames being un-assembled. As a result all equipment and process is all geared towards glueing, nailing and final touch up. I have been looking into equipment to allow to sell frames un-assembled since we have been getting more requests for that, however it will probably be later next year before we can offer that. 

Cheers,
Mark
http://www.framedestination.com/

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

>
> The black wood frames I was using from Documounts were, according to them,
> from Larson Juhl (sku 372285).  I could order these in paired pieces of any
> sizes, and they used plastic locking pieces to assemble the final frame.
>  (One receipt referred to them as "thumbnails.")  As such, it was easy to
> make frames of any dimensions and shipping was easier.  When I look for
> Larson Juhl frames, they appear to be all at local frame shops.  When I
> look at the wood frames from the internet sellers, they all appear to be
> pre-assembled frames.  If the pre-assembled are the right sizes, the prices
> (before shipping) are often good, but I don't see the sizes I need -- for
> example, the 13" x 28" size that I use for the high gloss panoramas that
> are selling so well.
> 
> I don't mind giving my local shops the business.  In fact, I'd like to get
> out of the framing business entirely.  However, most of my purchasers are
> price sensitive and the framers end up making most of the money if they do
> that work.  So for the time being, I think I'm going to have to continue
> being a reluctant framer.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi Mark,
I think in the past couple of years we've all seen a lot of change. Our dollar is worth less and our clientell are more frugal and so are we.. Professional packaging has been going up and the cost to ship for certain items is off the chart.. I have a piece that I've been selling for years that framed is 17 x 29 .. I used to be able to ship it for around 20.00 now it's 38.00 to 48.00 depending.. It's unavoidable to ship some pieces assembled but from an artists perspective if we have to pay to get an assembled frame then pay to ship an assembled piece of art work were really not bringing the best value to the process for certain venues. Matts are an issue as they go with the frame but if a 6.00 piece of matt board is driving the process then that won't last long. All this stuff still works on smaller pieces as shipping is still fairly competative there. Larger pieces I feel are totally broken.. You guys have a pretty good reputation and work hard.. but you must be seeing the shift I would think in your business. In my situation I have to reach outside of my area for work or I'd starve.. So packaging and shipping are real important cost elements here. I mean we've reached a point where I'm actually shipping stretcher pliers with a job occasionally as it brings better value. Well a bit of order volume helps too...:-)... For about 18 months now we've been shipping ready to assemble nice frames...along with the artwork..it was a learning curve for sure with packaging.. but I think we're there now.. Thank god for Uline and a few others.. 

jimbo

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mrgs1001 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 8:31 AM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Documounts replacement -- black wood frames


    
  Documounts was owned by Larson and/or Larson and Documounts were owned by the same company after the founder of Documounts sold.

  I understand about the desire for the ability to get frames un-assembled to reduce shipping cost. When I originally founded Frame Destination we only sold complete frames with mats so their was no advantage to the frames being un-assembled. As a result all equipment and process is all geared towards glueing, nailing and final touch up. I have been looking into equipment to allow to sell frames un-assembled since we have been getting more requests for that, however it will probably be later next year before we can offer that. 

  Cheers,
  Mark
  http://www.framedestination.com/

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:
  >
  > The black wood frames I was using from Documounts were, according to them,
  > from Larson Juhl (sku 372285). I could order these in paired pieces of any
  > sizes, and they used plastic locking pieces to assemble the final frame.
  > (One receipt referred to them as "thumbnails.") As such, it was easy to
  > make frames of any dimensions and shipping was easier. When I look for
  > Larson Juhl frames, they appear to be all at local frame shops. When I
  > look at the wood frames from the internet sellers, they all appear to be
  > pre-assembled frames. If the pre-assembled are the right sizes, the prices
  > (before shipping) are often good, but I don't see the sizes I need -- for
  > example, the 13" x 28" size that I use for the high gloss panoramas that
  > are selling so well.
  > 
  > I don't mind giving my local shops the business. In fact, I'd like to get
  > out of the framing business entirely. However, most of my purchasers are
  > price sensitive and the framers end up making most of the money if they do
  > that work. So for the time being, I think I'm going to have to continue
  > being a reluctant framer.
  > 
  > Paul
  > www.PaulRoark.com
  > 
  > 
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