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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Any paper that looks like good fiber-based traditional stuff?

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Any paper that looks like good fiber-based traditional stuff?

2002-03-08 by Alan Zinn

At 02:53 PM 3/7/2002 -0000, you wrote:
>The trick is to
>> wipe it on so you don't get lap marks. 
>
>I've never tried this but an idea came to mind - if you run a bead of 
>your wax just outside the picture area on one of the dimensions, then 
>use a squeegee like you would for removing excess water after a 
>regular silver print has washed, to spread the wax evenly across the 
>face ? Maybe that'd give you an even spread ?
>
>But I'm curious, doesn't the wax leave a powdery residue when it 
>dries or feel sticky to the touch ? Seems like it may degrade rather 
>than enhance a print ? No ? Just a question really.
>frank
>
>

Frank,

You are thinking of liquid car wax. I used Minwax paste (Johnson's is the
same) It is plain old carnuba/beeswax in a paint thinner solvent. I think
the trick will be in the final buff - sheepskin? One reason real photo paper
looks so nice, as you probably know, is the gelatin surface. The wax puts a
layer that has just enough depth to mimic the gel.  I don't know how to get
the subtle texture of air dried gelatin. Some genius will need to figure out
how to spray coat with real gelatin. J E L L O! 

AZ
Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.

www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/8874/
         or
keyword.com lookaround

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Any paper that looks like good fiber-based traditional stuff?

2002-03-08 by Martin Wesley

Erik,

Clear over coats are used in high end offset lithography so a printing
supply business would be a good place to look for this type of material.
Some of the large commercial inkjet printers for making banners have and
overcoat position also. Sign making supply companies are another good source
of coatings.

Martin Wesley

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From: <erik.huneker@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:42 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Any paper that looks like good fiber-based
traditional stuff?


>
> Going back again to my knowledge of Flexographic printing, we use from
time
> to time a "Lacquer" on the last deck of the press if we need to have a
> glossy look, or if we need to protect from scratches, ozone attack, etc...
>
> To get an even lay-down of lacquer, why not use a second printer and
> instead of the ink put lacquer in the cartridge (for ex. black cartridge)
> and then print a picture that is 100% black on top of the paper already
> printed with the picture you are trying to protect/enhance. You would need
> a second printer, but it could be ANY inkjet printer (even 15 yrs old),
dpi
> would not matter, just amount of ink that is put down. That will give you
a
> very even and easy-to-use system to coat/protect/enhance pictures...
>
> Only issue is finding the lacquer that will get through the printer
without
> clogging it. The lacquers we use are not available commercially, but I
> might be worth it trying to find something. My guess is anything that does
> not have big particles, has similar viscosity and dries slower than the
> original ink should work...
>
> Anybody tried this yet????
>
> Maybe it's just random thoughts ;-)
> Erik.
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:53:48 -0000
>    From: "frankg_photo" <frank@...>
> Subject: Re: Any paper that looks like good fiber-based traditional
stuff?
>
> The trick is to
> > wipe it on so you don't get lap marks.
>
> I've never tried this but an idea came to mind - if you run a bead of
> your wax just outside the picture area on one of the dimensions, then
> use a squeegee like you would for removing excess water after a
> regular silver print has washed, to spread the wax evenly across the
> face ? Maybe that'd give you an even spread ?
>
> But I'm curious, doesn't the wax leave a powdery residue when it
> dries or feel sticky to the touch ? Seems like it may degrade rather
> than enhance a print ? No ? Just a question really.
> frank
>
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Any paper that looks like good fiber-based traditional stuff?

2002-03-08 by shashinka@aol.com

In a message dated 3/7/02 9:31:25 PM, erik.huneker@... writes:

<< Only issue is finding the lacquer that will get through the printer without
clogging it. The lacquers we use are not available commercially, but I
might be worth it trying to find something. My guess is anything that does
not have big particles, has similar viscosity and dries slower than the
original ink should work...

Anybody tried this yet???? >>

I just received a bottle of this liquid which I plan to put in my Epson 900 
to test.

I found it at:

www.colorbat.com   Look for the snake snot sealer .(not a joke!)

-Andy Darlow

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Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner

2002-03-08 by David J. Bookbinder

Just discovered that a couple of hundred rolls of 35mm black and white
negatives I've been carting around for about 25 years (and had been planning
to start working with again, digitially) have become separated from their
contact sheets, perhaps permanently. I'm wondering if it's possible to scan
these in, a roll at a time, to make electronic contact sheets, using an
ordinary flatbed scanner. My first attempts were utter failures -- they
scanned in much too dark, so that when inverted in Photoshop were much too
light, and fiddling with the white and black points did not improve things
much -- but I'm wondering if anyone has successfully done this, and if so
how. I'm really loathe to re-enter the chemical darkroom after two decades
plus away.

Thanks,
David

Re: [Digital BW] Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner

2002-03-08 by Pics4U@en.com

A flat bed scanner utilizes reflected light and negatives/slides need the light 
to pass through them.  I don't see how you would get it to work unless you 
rigged up something of an overhead light on your scanner. 

I know you are going to think this rather dumb but it works.  Assuming you 
have your negs cut and in sheet type negative sleeves, tape them a sheet 
at a time to a window on a bright day. Then using your best macro lens 
simply photograph each sheet.  You won't get repro quality but good 
enough to look at on the computer and print out for referrence. I use my 
digital camera so it makes tweaking pretty easy.  

If you can get close enough to fill the frame, I'd trust the in-camera meter 
and then maybe fudge a stop for a test.

Of course you will have to invert in Photoshop but since they are B&W, at 
least you won't have the orange mask to deal with.

Greg
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> Just discovered that a couple of hundred rolls of 35mm black and white
> negatives I've been carting around for about 25 years (and had been
> planning to start working with again, digitially) have become
> separated from their contact sheets, perhaps permanently. I'm
> wondering if it's possible to scan these in, a roll at a time, to make
> electronic contact sheets, using an ordinary flatbed scanner. My first
> attempts were utter failures -- they scanned in much too dark, so that
> when inverted in Photoshop were much too light, and fiddling with the
> white and black points did not improve things much -- but I'm
> wondering if anyone has successfully done this, and if so how. I'm
> really loathe to re-enter the chemical darkroom after two decades plus
> away.
> 
> Thanks,
> David
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Re: [Digital BW] Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner

2002-03-08 by Stephen Petegorsky

>Just discovered that a couple of hundred rolls of 35mm black and white
>negatives I've been carting around for about 25 years (and had been planning
>to start working with again, digitially) have become separated from their
>contact sheets, perhaps permanently. I'm wondering if it's possible to scan
>these in, a roll at a time, to make electronic contact sheets, using an
>ordinary flatbed scanner. My first attempts were utter failures -- they
>scanned in much too dark, so that when inverted in Photoshop were much too
>light, and fiddling with the white and black points did not improve things
>much -- but I'm wondering if anyone has successfully done this, and if so
>how. I'm really loathe to re-enter the chemical darkroom after two decades
>plus away.
>
>Thanks,
>David

David - I think it depends on what kind of quality you hope to have in 
the contact sheets.  I have an Epson 836 XL with the transparency 
adapter, and I've had good luck scanning rolls of negatives that have 
been cut in strips and placed in Print File-type holders.  I put that 
right on the glass since it's a lot quicker than loading the strips of 
film into the real holders that came with the scanner, and scan them into 
an 8 x 10" file that I save as a tiff at at least 300 dpi so that I can 
examine individual frames.  The scanner came with LaserSoft Silverfast, 
which is a nice scanning software, and I haven't had many problems with 
scanning negatives.  You just have to make sure that your settings are 
correct in the pre-scan stage.

Stephen

RE: [Digital BW] Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner

2002-03-08 by Austin Franklin

Hi Stephen,

> I have an Epson 836 XL with the transparency
> adapter, and I've had good luck scanning rolls of negatives that have
> been cut in strips and placed in Print File-type holders.  I put that
> right on the glass since it's a lot quicker than loading the strips of
> film into the real holders that came with the scanner,

I have the same scanner, and do the same thing, except I do use a sheet of
glass on top of the Print File pages, to flatten the negatives/page.  I got
the glass off my old Patterson contact printer, and put four rubber bumpers
on it, one on each corner, facing up...so the transparency lid pressed down
on it a bit.  I'm sure a glass shop could cut one the right size, and clean
up the edges...

Austin

Re: Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner

2002-03-08 by jimhayes361

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "David J. Bookbinder" 
<david_bookbinder@s...> wrote:
> Just discovered that a couple of hundred rolls of 35mm black and 
white
> negatives I've been carting around for about 25 years (and had been 
planning
> to start working with again, digitially) have become separated from 
their
> contact sheets, perhaps permanently. I'm wondering if it's possible 
to scan
> these in, a roll at a time, to make electronic contact sheets, using 
an
> ordinary flatbed scanner.

This procedure is not for everyone! Scanning 200 sheets would be about 
9 days of work! Consider a low dpi old film scanner first, maybe 
running Vuescan batch mode. I found that it's actually less time for 
me the 
following procedure. Your film scanner/software may be faster.

This is a way if you don't have them in transparent Vue-pages.....it 
also is a cheap but Cadillac exposure method, and takes about 20 
minutes per roll, unless you buy double the quantity and load/unload 
the strips while scanning...you must also have them in strips of 6 
frames.

Get six (twelve) negative holders for the old obsolete Polaroid 
Sprintscan 35 (not the 4000)filmscanner. This is $30 for 6, they still 
have them. 
My negs are kept in separate light Impressions sleeves, so I don't 
have any Vue-pages to arrange anything, loading into the carriers is 
not too big a task then. The frame numbers won't print through, so 
write down the first frame number so you can add text in pshop later. 
These holders do two things: they block ALL clear areas of film like 
between frames so unevenly exposed frames is not a problem- no light 
bleed. They also hold the negs slightly above the glass- no Newton 
Ring effect. 

I designed and had machined a piece of black plastic 1/4 inch thick 
($95). It is about 81/2 x 11, fits on my flatbed. There are three long 
slots cut away in it which accept three of the Polaroid holders at a 
time. The slots are positioned such that I can scan in three strips at 
a time, then FLIP it over, insert three more and position corner of 
plastic into same edge of flatbed.....when I do this I get two scans 
of three each which when the extra white space is deleted from one 
file, perfectly overlap the second file pulled in as a layer under it 
in pshop. IOW, the plastic sheet aligns ALTERNATING neg strips by just 
flipping it over (being symmetrical), into two files in pshop which I 
then combine.

Sounds complicated but it works out easier than it sounds. You can 
make a black alignment plate out of Gator-fome or maybe even white 
foam-core for example. You will 
save all the $$. My plastic plate allows me to remove neg holders by 
just flexing it though and doesn't flake like gator-fome. On the first 
scan I do strip # 1,3, and 5. On 
the 2nd 2, 4, and 6. I think I still have dimensions of how to cut out 
"plate" if you need them. You cant just put six holders down on the 
glass next to each other- too wide. The plate, scan twice method will 
slightly overlap positions of each strip holder, but not run into 
frame edges.

You need a flatbed scanner with a transparancy adapter that covers the 
full 81/2 x 11. Because I use a black plate and opaque film holders, 
no excess light gets past the clear areas of film to spoil the 
exposure- even the space between frames is blocked out. A Umax tech 
actually told me transparancy adapter light between 35 mm frames 
popping through can cause uneven exposure of edge of frame.

I use an ancient Umax Vista S-12 with the optional transparancy 
adapter. About 7 years ago it went for maybe $1400, now, if they're 
available in someone's garage, I doubt they cost much at all. Your 
biggest expense will be finding a full length transparancy adatpter 
type flatbed. Epson sells really good flatbeds at good prices, but in 
order to get their full length transparancy adapter in some kind of 
scanner, you have to pay $$. I suggest find a used one. For proof 
sheets you don't need 48 bit or 1600 dpi. I use 300 dpi 24 bit myself.

The longest part of the procedure is labeling the combined file in 
pshop with a few frame #'s and roll #, data, etc. Next would be film 
loading, unloading, etc. It's not for everyone, and is a pain. But it 
gets uniform consistant exposure with no Newton rings. Another benifit 
is when you go to print the file, you will get a minimum of black ink 
put down, since almost all excess light has been blocked- most of the 
file around 36 images is white.
Jim H.

RE: [Digital BW] Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner

2002-03-08 by Stephen Petegorsky

Austin - Thanks for the tip!

Stephen
>I have the same scanner, and do the same thing, except I do use a sheet of
>glass on top of the Print File pages, to flatten the negatives/page.  I got
>the glass off my old Patterson contact printer, and put four rubber bumpers
>on it, one on each corner, facing up...so the transparency lid pressed down
>on it a bit.  I'm sure a glass shop could cut one the right size, and clean
>up the edges...
>
>Austin


Stephen Petegorsky
petegorsky@...
www.spphoto.com

RE: [Digital BW] Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner

2002-03-08 by David J. Bookbinder

Austin and Steve (and others),

Thanks for the suggestion. Please forgive my ignorance, I am absolutely new
to scanning anything other than text and printed images.

I did try, last night, scanning negatives in PrintFile pages on an Epson
1240U (which doesn't have a transparency attachment), and the results were
useless. I am gathering that the main problem is that negatives need light
coming through them, and that the tabloid-sized scanner you both use has a
light source in the transparency attachment that allows you to scan
negatives?  And that you use the tabloid scanner because it is large enough
to fit the PrintFile pages underneath the light source?

This scanner appears to be an older model (at least, review articles about
it I found on the web were not recent). Is there a newer replacement model
out?

Thanks again, and sorry for my ignorance.

- David
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-----Original Message-----
From: Austin Franklin [mailto:darkroom@...]
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 8:57 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner


Hi Stephen,

> I have an Epson 836 XL with the transparency
> adapter, and I've had good luck scanning rolls of negatives that have
> been cut in strips and placed in Print File-type holders.  I put that
> right on the glass since it's a lot quicker than loading the strips of
> film into the real holders that came with the scanner,

I have the same scanner, and do the same thing, except I do use a sheet of
glass on top of the Print File pages, to flatten the negatives/page.  I got
the glass off my old Patterson contact printer, and put four rubber bumpers
on it, one on each corner, facing up...so the transparency lid pressed down
on it a bit.  I'm sure a glass shop could cut one the right size, and clean
up the edges...

Austin




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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner

2002-03-08 by Mark Tucker

I like that guy's suggestion of using the digital
camera. Never thought about that approach. I too am
looking to buy a flatbed w/transadaptor for this very
use, but YES, it is VERY slow. There MUST be a better
way.

If a copystand was set up with the digital camera on
"flower" mode for focus, maybe that might work? I
don't have "flower" mode on my Hasselblad, even after
paying so much for it.

This could be a good second life for outdated point
and shoot digital cameras. Copystand cameras....

Anybody else doing this, or have any insights?

MTucker
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RE: [Digital BW] Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner

2002-03-08 by Austin Franklin

Hi David,

> I am gathering that the main problem is that negatives need light
> coming through them, and that the tabloid-sized scanner you both use has a
> light source in the transparency attachment that allows you to scan
> negatives?

Yes.

> And that you use the tabloid scanner because it is
> large enough
> to fit the PrintFile pages underneath the light source?

and...yes.

> This scanner appears to be an older model (at least, review articles about
> it I found on the web were not recent). Is there a newer replacement model
> out?

Do you mean for the 836XL?  The 836XL can be bought used for
peanuts...considering it is a tabloid scanner, and sold for near $2k when
new.  I do believe there is a new replacement unit for it, but it's higher
resolution, which I don't think you need for contact sheets...and obviously,
it's going to be a lot more money.

Someone mentioned that they did find a non-tabloid scanner that had a large
enough transparency area for "some" of the PrintFile sheets.  I do not
recall which scanner it was though.

Regards,

Austin

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner

2002-03-08 by Austin Franklin

> I like that guy's suggestion of using the digital
> camera. Never thought about that approach. I too am
> looking to buy a flatbed w/transadaptor for this very
> use, but YES, it is VERY slow. There MUST be a better
> way.
>
> If a copystand was set up with the digital camera on
> "flower" mode for focus, maybe that might work? I
> don't have "flower" mode on my Hasselblad, even after
> paying so much for it.
>
> This could be a good second life for outdated point
> and shoot digital cameras. Copystand cameras....
>
> Anybody else doing this, or have any insights?
>
> MTucker
> http://marktucker.com

Hi Mark,

I have tried using a Leaf Lumina, which is a true 6M pixel (not a bayer
pattern) digital camera for this, and it really doesn't have enough
resolution for decent enough contact sheets...if that's what you're talking
about...

Regards,

Austin

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Any paper that looks like good fiber-based traditional stuff?

2002-03-08 by Alan Zinn

At 12:42 PM 3/7/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Going back again to my knowledge of Flexographic printing, we use from time
>to time a "Lacquer" on the last deck of the press if we need to have a
>glossy look, or if we need to protect from scratches, ozone attack, etc...
>
>To get an even lay-down of lacquer, why not use a second printer and
>instead of the ink put lacquer in the cartridge (for ex. black cartridge)
>and then print a picture that is 100% black on top of the paper already
>printed with the picture you are trying to protect/enhance. You would need
>a second printer, but it could be ANY inkjet printer (even 15 yrs old), dpi
>would not matter, just amount of ink that is put down. That will give you a
>very even and easy-to-use system to coat/protect/enhance pictures...
>
>Only issue is finding the lacquer that will get through the printer without
>clogging it. The lacquers we use are not available commercially, but I
>might be worth it trying to find something. My guess is anything that does
>not have big particles, has similar viscosity and dries slower than the
>original ink should work...
>
>Anybody tried this yet????
>
>Maybe it's just random thoughts ;-)
>Erik.
>
>
>-----------------------------------------------------
>Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:53:48 -0000
>   From: "frankg_photo" <frank@...>
>Subject: Re: Any paper that looks like good fiber-based traditional  stuff?
>
>The trick is to
>> wipe it on so you don't get lap marks.
>
>I've never tried this but an idea came to mind - if you run a bead of
>your wax just outside the picture area on one of the dimensions, then
>use a squeegee like you would for removing excess water after a
>regular silver print has washed, to spread the wax evenly across the
>face ? Maybe that'd give you an even spread ?
>
>But I'm curious, doesn't the wax leave a powdery residue when it
>dries or feel sticky to the touch ? Seems like it may degrade rather
>than enhance a print ? No ? Just a question really.
>frank
>
>
Erik,

I got an email around the first of the year from MIS that, as I recall it,
asked if I was interested in the idea of having a clear medium that would
over-print the inks.  I replied that I definitely would but they never
followed up on it.  Anyone else hear about that?

It seems to me that the registration is good enough on these printers to do
a varnish coat on a second pass.

AZ

Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.

http://www.lookaroundcam.com/
         or
keyword.com lookaround

RE: [Digital BW] Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner

2002-03-08 by Stephen Petegorsky

David:
Yes, the transparecy adapter has a light source in it.  It is essential 
for scanning negatives, slides, or transparencies.  Many people use a 
flatbed scanner to scan prints, opaque art and larger film, and have 
another scanner dedicated to scanning 35mm and medium-format film.  The 
larger size on the flatbed lets you scan original works up to almost 12 x 
17", and since much of my business involves photography of artworks, it 
comes in handy for flat work directly.  

The new Epson 1250 is an amazing scanner for the money - check it out!

Stephen Petegorsky
petegorsky@...
www.spphoto.com

Re: [Digital BW] Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner

2002-03-08 by jennifer drucker

I use an Agfa Duoscan 1200... you can get one used on Ebay for around $300 bucks.  Same deal, it has a transparency module built in for scanning negs.

- Jennifer
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Austin Franklin 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 1:25 PM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner


  Hi David,

  > I am gathering that the main problem is that negatives need light
  > coming through them, and that the tabloid-sized scanner you both use has a
  > light source in the transparency attachment that allows you to scan
  > negatives?

  Yes.

  > And that you use the tabloid scanner because it is
  > large enough
  > to fit the PrintFile pages underneath the light source?

  and...yes.

  > This scanner appears to be an older model (at least, review articles about
  > it I found on the web were not recent). Is there a newer replacement model
  > out?

  Do you mean for the 836XL?  The 836XL can be bought used for
  peanuts...considering it is a tabloid scanner, and sold for near $2k when
  new.  I do believe there is a new replacement unit for it, but it's higher
  resolution, which I don't think you need for contact sheets...and obviously,
  it's going to be a lot more money.

  Someone mentioned that they did find a non-tabloid scanner that had a large
  enough transparency area for "some" of the PrintFile sheets.  I do not
  recall which scanner it was though.

  Regards,

  Austin


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Using the Epson 2450 for b&w 35mm negatives [was Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner]

2002-03-08 by David J. Bookbinder

I'm sorry if this subject has been discussed at length, but I couldn't find
a consistent thread in the archives, and thanks again for all the help you
folks have already given me on this.

I'm sort of at a crossroads. I'm looking both to make contact sheets of a
large archive of old b&w (mostly Tri-X) negatives, but also to make prints
from some of them (as well as from a much smaller collection of color slides
and negatives). As my current budget is limited and my future shooting will
most likely be all-digital, I'm hoping to avoid the expense of buying both a
tabloid-sized scanner to make the contact sheets and a film scanner to make
scans for printing. I'm wondering if the Epson 2450 might be a good
"compromise" scanner for me. Doing the contact sheets would be more, as the
transparency adapter is presumbably too small for PrintFile sleeves, and
2400dpi is not optimal for scanning individual negatives. But if I can get
reasonable 8 x 10's, I can live with that.

I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who has used this scanner to scan
35mm film, particularly b&w negatives. How do your results compare to using
the same negatives to make 8 x 10 enlargements? Or to using a dedicated film
scanner? No doubt I'll wind up eventually "moving up," but right now I'm
looking for an intermim, relatively low-cost solution to managing this large
body of old stuff, and on paper the 2450 looks promising.

Thanks once again,
David
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Petegorsky [mailto:petegorsky@...]
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 2:21 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner



David:
Yes, the transparecy adapter has a light source in it.  It is essential
for scanning negatives, slides, or transparencies.  Many people use a
flatbed scanner to scan prints, opaque art and larger film, and have
another scanner dedicated to scanning 35mm and medium-format film.  The
larger size on the flatbed lets you scan original works up to almost 12 x
17", and since much of my business involves photography of artworks, it
comes in handy for flat work directly.

The new Epson 1250 is an amazing scanner for the money - check it out!

Stephen Petegorsky
petegorsky@...
www.spphoto.com



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Re: Making b&w contact sheets on a flatbed scanner

2002-03-09 by antonisphoto

Mark,

for digital, I don't know, but setting up a camera over a light table to grab a 
whole bunch of negs or pages or slides on, say, general purpose color neg 
film maybe a good thing for copyright registration purposes. Something I read 
in PDN recently.

Otherwise, either you buy a fancy digital back for the Hassie (like that's real 
practical <g>) or go with good ol' cheap flatbed and churn for days. However, 
having done the latter (couldn't afford that FlexFrame) I find there are great 
benefits to contact sheets on screen and well worth the hassle.

Of course I don't know what it would be like for hundreds of rolls.... your own 
brain might end up on flower mode in that case.

Antonis 


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Mark Tucker <mtucker508@y...> 
wrote:
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> I like that guy's suggestion of using the digital
> camera. Never thought about that approach. I too am
> looking to buy a flatbed w/transadaptor for this very
> use, but YES, it is VERY slow. There MUST be a better
> way.
> 
> If a copystand was set up with the digital camera on
> "flower" mode for focus, maybe that might work? I
> don't have "flower" mode on my Hasselblad, even after
> paying so much for it.
> 
> This could be a good second life for outdated point
> and shoot digital cameras. Copystand cameras....
> 
> Anybody else doing this, or have any insights?
> 
> MTucker
> http://marktucker.com
> 
> 
> 
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