Digital BW, The Print

This is a potentially interesting paper.

See http://www.breathingcolor.com/action/bc_shop/224/

Breathing Color has a coating technology they call "Chromata white."  This has been used on canvass, but their (relatively new, I believe) "Pura Smooth" matte paper is the first use of this technology on a matte paper.  It's a paper that might be very useful to me and others printing with Eboni-6 inks as well as other inksets.

The company claims the paper is the first bright wide matte paper with no OBAs.  

My testing is consistent with this.  UV light indicates no OBAs, yet the Lab B is less than one.  

My current favorite inkjet paper for Eboni-6 is Epson Hot Press Natural.  This is, in part, because it looks the most neutral of non-brightened (no OBA) papers.  So I used Epson HPn as a comparison.  Reading the two papers at the same session (same calibration), the Pura Smooth Lab B = 0.4 while the Epson Hot Press Natural Lab B = 2.45.  (Of course there are lots of OBA containing papers with lower Lab B's.)

The other visually interesting aspect of Pura Smooth is that the paper Lab A = 1.8, compared to Epson HPn Lab A = 0.5.  This more "selenium" "pinkish" hue is one many like.  I do.  It's one of the things about my old favorite Premier Art Smooth BW (has OBAs) that I like.

The Pura Smooth Lab B rise with Eboni-6 when printed with the 7800 is a bit more than the Epson HPn -- 3 v. 2.5.  The absolute max. Lab B of the Pura Smooth is 0.7 units less than the Epson HPn -- 3.76 v 4.46.  Visually, the Epson looks a bit yellow in comparison.

The Pura Smooth dmax is a bit less -- 1.67 v. 1.71.

When viewed under a magnifier, the Pura Smooth had a bit more microbanding than the Epson paper, particularly a few positions at relatively high ink loads.  By keeping the ink limits below these points for the inks where the issue showed up, the final print was very smooth, essentially equal to the print on Epson paper.

The net reaction of more than one casual viewer is that the Pura Smooth paper and image look better with Eb6 than does the Epson Hot Press Natural.  I will definitely be looking more closely at this paper when I run out of my current Epson stock.

Breathing Color sells trial rolls (17" x 20') for $25.  They claim this is their cost, and it's less that half the cost of pre-cut sheets.  

I would be most interested in anyone's experience with this paper or the Breathing Color "Chromata white" coating technology.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

I posted the graphs of the Lab A and B of the papers compared above at 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/PuraSmooth-v-EpsonHPn.jpg .

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Very interesting. By "looking better" the viewers meant the image tone?


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Paul <roark.paul@...> wrote:

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> I posted the graphs of the Lab A and B of the papers compared above at
> http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/PuraSmooth-v-EpsonHPn.jpg .
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Yes.


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:58 PM, pdesmidt tds.net <pdesmidt@...> wrote:

> Very interesting. By "looking better" the viewers meant the image tone?
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> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Paul <roark.paul@...> wrote:
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> > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/PuraSmooth-v-EpsonHPn.jpg .
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Ok.  I'll order a roll.  Do you have a profile for EB6?


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

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> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:58 PM, pdesmidt tds.net <pdesmidt@...>
> wrote:
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> > Very interesting. By "looking better" the viewers meant the image tone?
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> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Paul <roark.paul@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > I posted the graphs of the Lab A and B of the papers compared above at
> > > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/PuraSmooth-v-EpsonHPn.jpg .
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> > > Paul
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pdesmidt tds.net <pdesmidt@...> wrote:

> ... Do you have a profile for EB6?
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Yes, it's in http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/7800-EbHP-2013-Profiles.Zip .

I only made an Eb6 profile and not a "cool" one with the HP inks.

Paul
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> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:
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> > > > I posted the graphs of the Lab A and B of the papers compared above
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> > > > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/PuraSmooth-v-EpsonHPn.jpg .
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> > > > Paul
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Thank you, Paul.  I'll report back how it works with my 7600.


On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

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> pdesmidt tds.net <pdesmidt@...> wrote:
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> Yes, it's in http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/7800-EbHP-2013-Profiles.Zip.
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> I only made an Eb6 profile and not a "cool" one with the HP inks.
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> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
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> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...>
> wrote:
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> > > > > I posted the graphs of the Lab A and B of the papers compared above
> > at
> > > > > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/PuraSmooth-v-EpsonHPn.jpg .
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> > > > > Paul
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Hi Paul,

Any profile suggestions for trying this paper with a Workforce 1100 (with eboni loaded of course)?

Thanks,
kerry
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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 08:17:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Breathing Color Pura Smooth paper with "Chromata white"
















 



  


    
      
      
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Yes, it's in http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/7800-EbHP-2013-Profiles.Zip .



I only made an Eb6 profile and not a "cool" one with the HP inks.



Paul

www.PaulRoark.com



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> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Paul Roark <roark.paul@...> wrote:

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> > > > http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/PuraSmooth-v-EpsonHPn.jpg .

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> > > > Paul

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K BROOKS <dkbb1@...> wrote:

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> Any profile suggestions for trying this paper with a Workforce 1100 (with
> eboni loaded of course)?
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Try one made for Epson Hot Press.  Let us know how it looks.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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