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making some headway getting MIS carts recognized by 1400

making some headway getting MIS carts recognized by 1400

2014-01-10 by <paulmwhiting@...>

MIS now has my two sets of carts that my refurb 1400 wouldn't recognize, but their 1400 did recognize them. The chips' version number was 6.3. At the same time, a member here kindly loaned me set of MIS carts, ver 6.0, and these did work. I also ordered a set of carts from InkJet Mall. Their chips were ver 6.0 and these were recognized.

MIS thought the problem might be a printer firmware issue so I called Epson to find out if there were different versions of firmware on the 1400 and was told no, all one version from the very first models up through the current refurb.

Then I across this website: http://www.precisioncolors.com/E6B_79.html
and you'll note their carts use version 6.0 and, to top that, they make a resetter for the Arc chips - click on the highlighted blue text. They also sell empty refillable carts, again with ver. 6.0 chips: http://www.precisioncolors.com/E6b_79ref.html I phoned them and had a very helpful conversation with a guy who politely disagreed with Epson, saying there were at least three versions of firmware for the 1400 and that their 6.0 chips would be accepted by all three firmwares. He also told me there's a "master-slave" setup in the 1400 carts...the black cart is the master and if it's not recognized none of the others will be either. Interesting.

MIS is sending me a third set of carts, from a new batch they just got in and I'm eager to see how these test out. Another member here and I have had an off-site conversation - he himself has a refurb 1400 and is using ver 6.3 MIS carts with no problem. Go figure!

It's been a puzzle and not all pieces have fallen into place. Every time I think I've found the clue I run into a "Yes, but....".

Stay tuned,

Paul

RE: making some headway getting MIS carts recognized by 1400

2014-01-11 by <homershannon@...>

Paul:


While you are doing all this research, perhaps you could come up with an answer I've long been asking.


What is the difference between 'auto-reset' chips and chips that need resetting? Also, if you have 'auto-reset' chips, which I think I do, can they ever be used in a way that provides reliable levels checking?


My experience with the MIS carts is that they never need any kind of re-setting, but they don't accurately read the cartridge level either.


Homer Shannon

Re: [Digital BW] RE: making some headway getting MIS carts recognized by 1400

2014-01-11 by J.F. Felinik

My experience with those auto reset carts is that if you have two full sets, and you fill the first one up and replace the epson carts first of all, when the printer/software tells you that you need to swap, swap all of them to the second set, and then you fill up that first set again, and keep it going like that.

:)

That's how I do it... (revamping my 1400 with piezo k6 now instead of MIS but keeping and cleaning my carts).

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2014/1/11 <homershannon@...m>

Paul:


While you are doing all this research, perhaps you could come up with an answer I've long been asking.


What is the difference between 'auto-reset' chips and chips that need resetting? Also, if you have 'auto-reset' chips, which I think I do, can they ever be used in a way that provides reliable levels checking?


My experience with the MIS carts is that they never need any kind of re-setting, but they don't accurately read the cartridge level either.


Homer Shannon


RE: making some headway getting MIS carts recognized by 1400

2014-01-11 by <paulmwhiting@...>

Hello Homer, nice to see you here!


I must say I'm in the same position you are. My first task is to at least get my carts recognized in my 1400. Then I'll deal with these ARC carts. I really would prefer manual reset carts, but it turns out I ran across a website that sells a manual resetter for ARC cartridges! Check this out (click on the highlighted blue link toward the bottom.)


http://www.precisioncolors.com/E6B_79.html


Had a chat with someone at their company, might have been their president, and he was very cordial. They're based in Toronto. He assured me these would work.


Hope this helps,


Paul

RE: making some headway getting MIS carts recognized by 1400

2014-01-16 by <paulmwhiting@...>

Great news, everyone! My third set of carts from MIS arrived today and they were recognized right away. These arrived empty (the others were prefilled with the Eboni-6 inkset) and Justin at MIS suggested I fill them with cleaning fluid, which I did. I didn't want to install them dry (my scale hasn't arrived yet so I couldn't mix up my Carbon-6). I added a small amount of Magenta Dye ink so's to make the nozzle check visible - the patterns were quite faint of course but visible with no breaks.


This set of carts was from a new batch they just got it. Justin feels it was not an issue on version numbers of the carts and firmware, but a physical issue, ie the chip was not making good contact with the bronze wires at the rear of the cartridge holder. I tend to agree with that. At last I'm a happy camper. Justin and Mathew over at MIS were diligent and patient to work with me to solve this problem.


I've ordered an Ohaus scale and as soon as that arrives I'll mix up some Carbon-6. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to empty the carts so the red dye doesn't show up in the various shades of grey? I can remove most of it with a syringe, and once they're filled with the various greys perhaps the remaining red will wash on through.


Anyway, it's a been a long haul and I thank everyone in the Group over the past few months as well as MIS for their suggestions and for putting up with my frustrations at times!


Regards,


Paul

Re: [Digital BW] RE: making some headway getting MIS carts recognized by 1400

2014-01-16 by Paul Roark

Sounds like good news for you and MIS.

I use distilled water first to rinse carts and then some of the C6b generic base that you'll use to mix the Eb6. Finally, a small amount the dilution of the Eb6 that you're using could be pulled through the cart.

In addition to rinsing the inside reservoir, pull the rinsing fluid through the outlet with a bottom fill adapter on the syringe. (Note my modifications to such at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Modified-Bottom-Fill-Adapter.pdf .)

Good luck with the setup.

Paul
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On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 2:18 PM, <paulmwhiting@...> wrote:

Great news, everyone! My third set of carts from MIS arrived today and they were recognized right away. These arrived empty (the others were prefilled with the Eboni-6 inkset) and Justin at MIS suggested I fill them with cleaning fluid, which I did. I didn't want to install them dry (my scale hasn';t arrived yet so I couldn't mix up my Carbon-6). I added a small amount of Magenta Dye ink so's to make the nozzle check visible - the patterns were quite faint of course but visible with no breaks.


This set of carts was from a new batch they just got it. Justin feels it was not an issue on version numbers of the carts and firmware, but a physical issue, ie the chip was not making good contact with the bronze wires at the rear of the cartridge holder. I tend to agree with that. At last I'm a happy camper. Justin and Mathew over at MIS were diligent and patient to work with me to solve this problem.


I've ordered an Ohaus scale and as soon as that arrives I'll mix up some Carbon-6. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to empty the carts so the red dye doesn't show up in the various shades of grey? I can remove most of it with a syringe, and once they're filled with the various greys perhaps the remaining red will wash on through.


Anyway, it's a been a long haul and I thank everyone in the Group over the past few months as well as MIS for their suggestions and for putting up with my frustrations at times!


Regards,


Paul


RE: making some headway getting MIS carts recognized by 1400

2014-01-17 by <paulmwhiting@...>

John,


I assume you mean the resetter I mentioned a few messages back, the one sold by Precision Colors? Hmm, I just assumed it would work on MIS carts. Maybe that's a false assumption. I'll try and get that question to them later on today, in a bit of a crunch at the moment.


Thanks for raising that question!


As for MIS, I think we all hope they make it!


Paul

RE: making some headway getting MIS carts recognized by 1400

2014-01-17 by <paulmwhiting@...>

I e-mailed Precision Colors and asked if their resetter would work on MIS carts. It seems to be an issue of the chip's version number, not whether or not it's sold by MIS. Here's the answer I received:

"No the 6.3 chips have a master slave relationship. Black is master and keeps track of all the other chips being the slaves. All the slaves are identical BTW. The resetter will only work on the chips that can stand for themselves inside the Printer. V6.0 and 5.0 These emulate each Epson chip by itself and can be used amongst Epson chips. Only the first production run of 1430s were able to use the V6.0. Thereafter Epson put an end to that...all subsequent production runs required V6+ chips."

What's interesting is that I ordered a set of carts from Inkjet Mall and their version number was 6.0.


Paul



---In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <johnp@...> wrote:

So do you think the resetter for the Arc chips would work on the MIS cartridges?

I'd love to be able to fill them all at one time.

I'm amazed you've had such service from MIS - they were awful for me.

John P

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