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best way to switch Epson 3800 to peiziography

best way to switch Epson 3800 to peiziography

2014-02-10 by <Jordan.kreidberg@...>

I'd appreciate any suggestions on the best way to convert an Epson 3800 to pieziography. Assuming no ink clogs at present with the regular inks--- I have purchased a set of empty cartridges and a set of peiziography inks. My main question is whether it is better to flush the lines first with the peizoflush solution or should I simply install the piezigraphy ink set with the new cartridges and let these inks flush out the old inks with a few test prints.

If it is better to flush out the lines first, do I first fill all the new cartridges with the flush solution, and then remove this and refill them with the new inks? Is is possible to full drain these cartridges?

thanks very much
Jordan



Re: [Digital BW] best way to switch Epson 3800 to peiziography

2014-02-10 by David Whistance

Yes, flush the lines first, preferably with Jon's Piezoflush. The 3800's cartridges are fixed with tubes leading to the print head. Although these are shorter than the ones in either a 4800 or a 7800 they are still long enough to hold quite a quantity of ink. You will waste a lot of your new Piezo ink if you try to use that for flushing and may suffer from some unnecessary clogs!

David Whistance
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On 10 Feb 2014, at 14:06, <Jordan.kreidberg@childrens.harvard.edu> wrote:

> I'd appreciate any suggestions on the best way to convert an Epson 3800 to pieziography.  Assuming no ink clogs at present with the regular inks--- I have purchased a set of empty cartridges and a set of peiziography inks.  My main question is whether it is better to flush the lines first with the peizoflush solution or should I simply install the piezigraphy ink set with the new cartridges and let these inks flush out the old inks with a few test prints. 
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Re: [Digital BW] best way to switch Epson 3800 to peiziography

2014-02-10 by Robert Krawiec

I just went through this process. I had 2 sets of carts, one for the flush, the other for the piezo ink (one set of chips that I switched between them).

I did 3 power cleans with the flush, then switched to the inks, did 3 more power cleans. If you don't do these last 3 power cleans, you'll end up with some rather purple prints!

Rob





On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:44 AM, David Whistance <david.whistance@...> wrote:
 
  
Yes, flush the lines first, preferably with Jon's Piezoflush. The 3800's cartridges are fixed with tubes leading to the print head. Although these are shorter than the ones in either a 4800 or a 7800 they are still long enough to hold quite a quantity of ink. You will waste a lot of your new Piezo ink if you try to use that for flushing and may suffer from some unnecessary clogs!

David Whistance
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On 10 Feb 2014, at 14:06, <Jordan.kreidberg@childrens.harvard.edu> wrote:

  
>I'd appreciate any suggestions on the best way to convert an Epson 3800 to pieziography.  Assuming no ink clogs at present with the regular inks--- I have purchased a set of empty cartridges and a set of peiziography inks.  My main question is whether it is better to flush the lines first with the peizoflush solution or should I simply install the piezigraphy ink set with the new cartridges and let these inks flush out the old inks with a few test prints. 
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>If it is better to flush out the lines first, do I first fill all the new cartridges with the flush solution, and then remove this and refill them with the new inks?  Is is possible to full drain these cartridges?
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>thanks very much
>Jordan
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Re: [Digital BW] best way to switch Epson 3800 to peiziography

2014-02-10 by Kreidberg, Jordan

Just checking: it's not possible to get the flush out of the cartridges? This is pretty pricey to get a whole set of them just for the flush!

Thanks
Jordan


On Feb 10, 2014, at 6:36 PM, "Robert Krawiec" <robk64@yahoo.com> wrote:

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I just went through this process. I had 2 sets of carts, one for the flush, the other for the piezo ink (one set of chips that I switched between them).

I did 3 power cleans with the flush, then switched to the inks, did 3 more power cleans. If you don't do these last 3 power cleans, you'll end up with some rather purple prints!

Rob



On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:44 AM, David Whistance <david.whistance@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Yes, flush the lines first, preferably with Jon's Piezoflush. The 3800's cartridges are fixed with tubes leading to the print head. Although these are shorter than the ones in either a 4800 or a 7800 they are still long enough to hold quite a quantity of ink. You will waste a lot of your new Piezo ink if you try to use that for flushing and may suffer from some unnecessary clogs!

David Whistance
On 10 Feb 2014, at 14:06, <Jordan.kreidberg@childrens.harvard.edu> wrote:

I'd appreciate any suggestions on the best way to convert an Epson 3800 to pieziography. Assuming no ink clogs at present with the regular inks--- I have purchased a set of empty cartridges and a set of peiziography inks. My main question is whether it is better to flush the lines first with the peizoflush solution or should I simply install the piezigraphy ink set with the new cartridges and let these inks flush out the old inks with a few test prints.

If it is better to flush out the lines first, do I first fill all the new cartridges with the flush solution, and then remove this and refill them with the new inks? Is is possible to full drain these cartridges?

thanks very much
Jordan








Re: [Digital BW] best way to switch Epson 3800 to peiziography

2014-02-11 by Robert Krawiec

I got the two sets are part of the digital negative and positive kit.

Check with Jon Cone if you can get by with one set, he's very good at responding to questions.

Rob





On Monday, February 10, 2014 4:58 PM, "Kreidberg, Jordan" <Jordan.kreidberg@...> wrote:
 
  
Just checking: it's not possible to get the flush out of the cartridges?  This is pretty pricey to get a whole set of them just for the flush!

Thanks
Jordan
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On Feb 10, 2014, at 6:36 PM, "Robert Krawiec" <robk64@...m> wrote:


  
>I just went through this process. I had 2 sets of carts, one for the flush, the other for the piezo ink (one set of chips that I switched between them).
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>I did 3 power cleans with the flush, then switched to the inks, did 3 more power cleans. If you don't do these last 3 power cleans, you'll end up with some rather purple prints!
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>Rob
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>On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:44 AM, David Whistance <david.whistance@btopenworld.com> wrote:
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>Yes, flush the lines first, preferably with Jon's Piezoflush. The 3800's cartridges are fixed with tubes leading to the print head. Although these are shorter than the ones in either a 4800 or a 7800 they are still long enough to hold quite a quantity of ink. You will waste a lot of your new Piezo ink if you try to use that for flushing and may suffer from some unnecessary clogs!
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>On 10 Feb 2014, at 14:06, <Jordan.kreidberg@...> wrote:
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>>I'd appreciate any suggestions on the best way to convert an Epson 3800 to pieziography.  Assuming no ink clogs at present with the regular inks--- I have purchased a set of empty cartridges and a set of peiziography inks.  My main question is whether it is better to flush the lines first with the peizoflush solution or should I simply install the piezigraphy ink set with the new cartridges and let these inks flush out the old inks with a few test prints. 
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>>If it is better to flush out the lines first, do I first fill all the new cartridges with the flush solution, and then remove this and refill them with the new inks?  Is is possible to full drain these cartridges?
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>>Jordan
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RE: [Digital BW] best way to switch Epson 3800 to Piezography

2014-02-11 by Elliot Puritz

I agree.  One of the reasons that the 2880 makes some sense for those considering Piezography.  No hoses…just carts.  Nevertheless, I have two sets of carts, one with inks, one with flush.  However, the process of flushing is rather easy and relatively quick…clean the capping station, flush several times using the flush carts, take out the flush carts, in with the ink carts, nozzle check…all set.  Probably about 10-15 minutes once the carts are filled.  

 

Don't underestimate the time that it takes to fill the smaller 2880 carts with inks. Probably about an hour to initially fill the carts with the various inks.  Regardless of what one reads, the smaller carts are harder to purge of air. I understand that the larger carts on the 3880 are much easier to fill

 

If one has multiple ink sets then the process is easy when using the 2880…no reason to use the flush…out with the old, in with the new….:}  I do not find the smaller print size at all limiting.

 

For those just contemplating Piezography, the 2880 should be considered.

 

Elliot
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Subject: Re: [Digital BW] best way to switch Epson 3800 to peiziography

 

  

Just checking: it's not possible to get the flush out of the cartridges?  This is pretty pricey to get a whole set of them just for the flush!

 

Thanks

Jordan 

 


On Feb 10, 2014, at 6:36 PM, "Robert Krawiec" <robk64@...> wrote:

  

I just went through this process. I had 2 sets of carts, one for the flush, the other for the piezo ink (one set of chips that I switched between them).

I did 3 power cleans with the flush, then switched to the inks, did 3 more power cleans. If you don't do these last 3 power cleans, you'll end up with some rather purple prints!

Rob

 

 

On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:44 AM, David Whistance <david.whistance@...> wrote:

  

Yes, flush the lines first, preferably with Jon's Piezoflush. The 3800's cartridges are fixed with tubes leading to the print head. Although these are shorter than the ones in either a 4800 or a 7800 they are still long enough to hold quite a quantity of ink. You will waste a lot of your new Piezo ink if you try to use that for flushing and may suffer from some unnecessary clogs!

 

David Whistance

On 10 Feb 2014, at 14:06, <Jordan.kreidberg@...> wrote:





  

I'd appreciate any suggestions on the best way to convert an Epson 3800 to pieziography.  Assuming no ink clogs at present with the regular inks--- I have purchased a set of empty cartridges and a set of peiziography inks.  My main question is whether it is better to flush the lines first with the peizoflush solution or should I simply install the piezigraphy ink set with the new cartridges and let these inks flush out the old inks with a few test prints. 

 

If it is better to flush out the lines first, do I first fill all the new cartridges with the flush solution, and then remove this and refill them with the new inks?  Is is possible to full drain these cartridges?

 

thanks very much

Jordan

RE: [Digital BW] best way to switch Epson 3800 to Piezography

2014-02-11 by Elliot Puritz

Might I agree?  I is a pleasure to deal with Jon Cone.  He is honest and forthcoming and having come from the analog end he still can think as an analog photographer…but one who can translate the analog paradigm to digital.  

 

Elliot
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Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 7:02 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] best way to switch Epson 3800 to peiziography

 

  

I got the two sets are part of the digital negative and positive kit.

Check with Jon Cone if you can get by with one set, he's very good at responding to questions.

Rob

 

 

On Monday, February 10, 2014 4:58 PM, "Kreidberg, Jordan" <Jordan.kreidberg@...u> wrote:

  

Just checking: it's not possible to get the flush out of the cartridges?  This is pretty pricey to get a whole set of them just for the flush!

 

Thanks

Jordan 

 


On Feb 10, 2014, at 6:36 PM, "Robert Krawiec" <robk64@...> wrote:

  

I just went through this process. I had 2 sets of carts, one for the flush, the other for the piezo ink (one set of chips that I switched between them).

I did 3 power cleans with the flush, then switched to the inks, did 3 more power cleans. If you don't do these last 3 power cleans, you'll end up with some rather purple prints!

Rob

 

 

On Monday, February 10, 2014 7:44 AM, David Whistance <david.whistance@btopenworld.com> wrote:

  

Yes, flush the lines first, preferably with Jon's Piezoflush. The 3800's cartridges are fixed with tubes leading to the print head. Although these are shorter than the ones in either a 4800 or a 7800 they are still long enough to hold quite a quantity of ink. You will waste a lot of your new Piezo ink if you try to use that for flushing and may suffer from some unnecessary clogs!

 

David Whistance

On 10 Feb 2014, at 14:06, <Jordan.kreidberg@...> wrote:





  

I'd appreciate any suggestions on the best way to convert an Epson 3800 to pieziography.  Assuming no ink clogs at present with the regular inks--- I have purchased a set of empty cartridges and a set of peiziography inks.  My main question is whether it is better to flush the lines first with the peizoflush solution or should I simply install the piezigraphy ink set with the new cartridges and let these inks flush out the old inks with a few test prints. 

 

If it is better to flush out the lines first, do I first fill all the new cartridges with the flush solution, and then remove this and refill them with the new inks?  Is is possible to full drain these cartridges?

 

thanks very much

Jordan

Re: [Digital BW] best way to switch Epson 3800 to peiziography

2014-02-11 by <nicholae@...>

Jordan,


It's definitely worth the investment to get the 2nd set of carts just to store the flush solution. You can then keep these carts filled with flush for cleaning out the printer as well for loading the printer with flush solution in case you plan to leave it idle for more than a week. Storing your printer this way will keep your ink lines and print head healthy and free from permanent clogs which can develop.


It might seem expensive to get the carts now, but it's going to be cheaper than purchasing a new print head or even a new printer if your current one suffers from a catastrophic clog.


Nick Enghardt

St. Edward's University Advanced Imaging Lab Manager

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