Digital BW, The Print

I suspect that in your case you may need the cleaning kit. This video doesn't deal with really stubborn clogs, but it's where I'd start.

The "recent" Epson 4900, 7900 and 9900 Priners are NOT known for being resistant to nozzle plugs when using Epson OEM Inks. 


     On Saturday, September 19, 2015 9:06 AM, "djon43@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     Relatively recent Epson photo printers are relatively clog-free. Most Epson clogging has always had to do with use of budget non-Epson inks and infrequent printing. 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That is a fairly big claim. You might want to research that comment and get back to us. Maybe you have just been very lucky?

Mark
www.stillrivereditions.com

> On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:06 PM, djon43@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Relatively recent Epson photo printers are relatively clog-free. Most Epson clogging has always had to do with use of budget non-Epson inks and infrequent printing. In general, if an older Epson is clogging the best fix (cheapest by far) is to replace it with a modern pigment printer.  
> 
> 
> Posted by: djon43@...
> 
>

My printer is an Epson 1800, never used anything but Epson inks! I had a 2400, then got the dreaded "needs maintenance (ink pad full), bought a 3000, just got a Canon Pixma 100!  So, with these types of printers, at their cost, I would NEVER use brand x inks!  That being said, with so many printers, and my printing infrequently, I think letting the 1800 sit for long periods without being used, caused this problem. Anyway, any other ideas? I was told by a salesman at one of the stores to at least print something regularly!
 


     On Sunday, September 20, 2015 6:27 AM, "brian_downunda@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     +1.  Not only a fairly big claim, it flies in the face of much evidence.  You could always start your research here:
http://myx900.com/  There is one recent printer where that comment may apply - the 3880 - which seems fairly trouble-free with OEM, but it's also true that plenty of people are using it successfully with non-OEM as well.  

There is one part that I do agree with, and that is that the older the (desktop) printer, the harder it is to get it to work with refillable cartridges.  But that's not an ink-specific comment, it would apply even if you put OEM ink in the carts.

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I’ll chime in here. My personal opinion here is that indeed the newer  
Epson printers have relatively more problems with print head clogs. More  
specifically it is my belief that the DX6 series of print heads are prone  
to internal self-destruction that masquerades as print head clogs as well  
as being more sensitive to infrequent use issues. I read an article  
(http://www.breathingcolor.com/blog/printhead-failure/ ) a few weeks ago  
on the Breathing Color site, in which a printer service tech stated that  
the new DX6 print heads had issues with internal delamination I believe,  
and that the normal life span of these print heads maybe shorter than that  
of the previous DX5 models.

I have an Epson 9880 that has printed a bit over 19,000 feet of paper,  
that is a skosh over 3.5 miles, and in the three years that I have owned  
it I have had to do a power cleaning once.

If you haven’t seen the, Epson 7900 from the inside - out, thread over on  
LuLa it is in my mind informative to say the very least, it runs to just  
shy of 475,000 views and a little over 1500 posts. It contains everything  
 from the sublime to the ridiculous with regard to the X900 series Epson  
printers, I.E the DX6 print head and its various foibles.

http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=61585.0

So once again, my opinion, is that the newer Epson printers with DX6 head  
technology are a bit less robust that its predecessor and while not  
technically a clogging issue the symptoms of head failure, in the newer  
printers, masquerade as that.

As to the off brand ink issue, I have two old Epson 4000’s that print just  
fine on off brand inks. Does this translate to it’s OK to use non-Epson  
inks in newer Epson printers, I don’t know.

On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 10:14:12 -0400, Joseph Chandler over40_98@...m  
[DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]  
<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

> My printer is an Epson 1800, never used anything but Epson inks! I had a  
> 2400, then got the dreaded "needs >maintenance (ink pad full), bought a  
> 3000, just got a Canon Pixma 100!  So, with these types of printers, at  
> their >cost, I would NEVER use brand x inks!  That being said, with so  
> many printers, and my printing infrequently, I think >letting the 1800  
> sit for long periods without being used, caused this problem. Anyway,  
> any other ideas? I was told by >a salesman at one of the stores to at  
> least print something regularly!
>
>
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2015 6:27 AM, "brian_downunda@...  
> [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]"  
> ><DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>  +1.  Not only a fairly big claim, it flies in the face of much  
> evidence.  You could always start your research here:
> http://myx900.com/
>There is one recent printer where that comment may apply - the 3880 -  
> which seems fairly trouble-free with OEM, but >it's also true that  
> plenty of people are using it successfully with non-OEM as well.  
> There is one part that I do agree with, and that is that the older the  
> (desktop) printer, the harder it is to get it to work >with refillable  
> cartridges.  But that's not an ink-specific comment, it would apply even  
> if you put OEM ink in the carts.
>
> This thread is a little off-topic for the DB&W group.
>
> 



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Thank you, this was very helpful.  Going forward I will definitely print "something" on each and all of my printers.  I may still try the "Pizo" solution using refilable carts on my 1800!

Joe C.
 


     On Sunday, September 20, 2015 7:14 PM, "brian_downunda@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint]" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

     Let me start by saying that I agree with everything that Larry said, although I also think that some printers with DX5 printheads are less prone to clogs than others, and here I'm referring to the 3880.  You certainly get that impression reading Lula too.

It is definitely true that these printers need to be used regularly in order to keep them working, so the salesman is 100% correct.  It also helps to maintain the humidity in the room where the printer is located, as low humidity -> clogs.  The advantage of your 1800 & 2400 was that if you were not going to print for a while, you could have removed the Epson carts and inserted refillable cartridges with piezoflush solution, then reversed the process at print time.  This is relatively inexpensive with printers with cartridges on the print head.  But those printers are increasingly rare.  You can do the same with the 3000, but it costs a heck of a lot more in wasted ink.

The other issue with lack of use is pigment sedimentation.  This is where OEM inks do seem to have an advantage over non-OEM.  It's a particular problem with the B&W inksets, where you notice it in the prints much more readily.  But for people who print sufficiently regularly and for whom cost is an issue, 3rd party inks are a viable solution.  Especially the B&W inksets, which also provide better image quality.  

Printer maintenance (cleaning the capping station, wiper blade and under the print head) becomes even more important with 3rd party inks.  It's not something that you can ignore with OEM inks, but it's less of an issue in my experience, so you do get a simpler life, but pay a lot more for the inks.  You pays your money and you takes your choices.

Finally, you could have kept your 2400 going by resetting the waste ink counter (not hard to do with software and perhaps a small charge) and then fitting a waste ink bottle (also inexpensive and not difficult).


---In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, <over40_98@...> wrote :

.... So, with these types of printers, at their cost, I would NEVER use brand x inks!  That being said, with so many printers, and my printing infrequently, I think letting the 1800 sit for long periods without being used, caused this problem. Anyway, any other ideas? I was told by a salesman at one of the stores to at least print something regularly!