Digital BW, The Print

Antonis,

I have to pay the FedEx shipping to send the stuff up to them. I guess that
$15-20 bucks is no big deal though.

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "antonisphoto" <antonisphoto@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:43 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Quadtone ICC Profiles for IP4


> Mike,
>
> from talking to them (Daniel specifically, I think), I thought all along
that bw
> profiles were at no cost to the user. A change of heart perhaps?
>
> Antonis
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mkravit" <michael.kravit@w...>
> wrote:
>
> > ALthough I am paying for these, I asked them to place them on the
> > site for public use as soon as they are available.
> >
> > Mike
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Thanks for the clarification Mike. And thanks for doing the work, paying for it 
and sharing the results!

Antonis


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit" 
<michael.kravit@w...> wrote:

> Antonis,
> 
> I have to pay the FedEx shipping to send the stuff up to them. I guess that
> $15-20 bucks is no big deal though.
> 
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "antonisphoto" <antonisphoto@y...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:43 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Quadtone ICC Profiles for IP4
> 
> 
> > Mike,
> >
> > from talking to them (Daniel specifically, I think), I thought all along
> that bw
> > profiles were at no cost to the user. A change of heart perhaps?
> >
> > Antonis
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mkravit" <michael.kravit@w...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > ALthough I am paying for these, I asked them to place them on the
> > > site for public use as soon as they are available.
> > >
> > > Mike

Antonis,

I really hope they don't mind, but I an sending them 7 printed targets. ;-)

Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "antonisphoto" <antonisphoto@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:47 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Quadtone ICC Profiles for IP4


> Thanks for the clarification Mike. And thanks for doing the work, paying
for it
> and sharing the results!
>
> Antonis
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit"
> <michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
> > Antonis,
> >
> > I have to pay the FedEx shipping to send the stuff up to them. I guess
that
> > $15-20 bucks is no big deal though.
> >
> > Mike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "antonisphoto" <antonisphoto@y...>
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:43 PM
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Quadtone ICC Profiles for IP4
> >
> >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > from talking to them (Daniel specifically, I think), I thought all
along
> > that bw
> > > profiles were at no cost to the user. A change of heart perhaps?
> > >
> > > Antonis
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mkravit"
<michael.kravit@w...>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > ALthough I am paying for these, I asked them to place them on the
> > > > site for public use as soon as they are available.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
>
>
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Please pardon my ignorance concerning the ICC profiles but....

I think I understand that a standard ICC color profile is just a way 
for a computer to adjust the color of an image to match a standard.  
You print a bunch of different colored squares and measure the actual 
color of the printout.  Using an expensive gizmo you then measure the 
target and the difference of the printout to the actual color is 
calculated and put into the icc profile.  Am I close (or even in the 
same neighborhood)?

How would that work for a quadtone?  What qizmo would you use to 
measure the squares?

Clueless in SoCal,

Richard Cooke 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit" 
<michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
> Antonis,
> 
> I really hope they don't mind, but I an sending them 7 printed 
targets. ;-)
> 
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "antonisphoto" <antonisphoto@y...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:47 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Quadtone ICC Profiles for IP4
> 
> 
> > Thanks for the clarification Mike. And thanks for doing the work, 
paying
> for it
> > and sharing the results!
> >
> > Antonis
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit"
> > <michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
> > > Antonis,
> > >
> > > I have to pay the FedEx shipping to send the stuff up to them. 
I guess
> that
> > > $15-20 bucks is no big deal though.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "antonisphoto" <antonisphoto@y...>
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:43 PM
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Quadtone ICC Profiles for IP4
> > >
> > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > from talking to them (Daniel specifically, I think), I 
thought all
> along
> > > that bw
> > > > profiles were at no cost to the user. A change of heart 
perhaps?
> > > >
> > > > Antonis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mkravit"
> <michael.kravit@w...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ALthough I am paying for these, I asked them to place them 
on the
> > > > > site for public use as soon as they are available.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Dear Clueless,

Esentially you are correct. With grayscale I am printing a target of 224
shades of gray. All little squares ranging from pure black to pure white.
The target is then read on a PhotoSpectrometer and the resulting data is
compared to a standard and then adjustments are made. The resulting profile
is then used by the RIP to tell the printer how to lay down the ink to
achieve smooth tonal gradations. In a fully calibrated system, a scanner
profile tells the computer how the scanner does its work and makes
adjustments to ensure that the scan tonalities and colors are correct, the
monitor is profiled so that you see colors correctly and as they really are,
and the printer profile prints what the scanner scanned, the monitor saw,
and what you adjusted as you saw it on the monitor. (Austin will have a
field day with this one! ;-)).

I am printing target for 7 different papers using the MIS FS inks and the
ImagePrint 4 RIP. That way, what I see on my monitor will print on paper
without any posterization just the way I visualized it.

Mike


----- Original Message -----

From: "rmcooke" <rcooke@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 11:14 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Quadtone ICC Profiles for IP4


> Please pardon my ignorance concerning the ICC profiles but....

Michael,
Has anyone at ColorByte mentioned to you when they think they will be
supporting quad-inksets on the the desktop models: 1280 et al? When last
I emailed John Pannozzo (in the middle of February), he thought before
the end of March. I'm hoping that's the case.
Thanks
Peter Lindman

Michael Kravit wrote:

> 
> Antonis,
> 
> I really hope they don't mind, but I an sending them 7 printed
> targets. ;-)
> 
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "antonisphoto" <antonisphoto@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:47 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Quadtone ICC Profiles for IP4
> 
> > Thanks for the clarification Mike. And thanks for doing the work,
> paying
> for it
> > and sharing the results!
> >
> > Antonis
> >
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael Kravit"
> > <michael.kravit@w...> wrote:
> > > Antonis,
> > >
> > > I have to pay the FedEx shipping to send the stuff up to them. I
> guess
> that
> > > $15-20 bucks is no big deal though.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "antonisphoto" <antonisphoto@y...>
> > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:43 PM
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Quadtone ICC Profiles for IP4
> > >
> > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > >
> > > > from talking to them (Daniel specifically, I think), I thought
> all
> along
> > > that bw
> > > > profiles were at no cost to the user. A change of heart perhaps?
> > > >
> > > > Antonis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "mkravit"
> <michael.kravit@w...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ALthough I am paying for these, I asked them to place them on
> the
> > > > > site for public use as soon as they are available.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, Polls
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