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Martin/Antonis: Drop The Foveon Thread...Pleeeezzz it is Ridiculous!

Martin/Antonis: Drop The Foveon Thread...Pleeeezzz it is Ridiculous!

2002-03-20 by Steadman Uhlich

Hey Martin & Antonis, 

Maybe you should rename this forum the Foveon Argument Forum.....

Really Austin,  can't you find somewhere else to argue?  I respect your rights to post on something somewhere....and we must all agree that you are an expert at something with lots of experience...and I for one will concede you must know much more about some things than I do....but...I for one just find my email box full almost everyday of "Austin argues  another scanner issue...yet again." 

The quality of this forum is quickly going down down down....with Austin arguing all the way...


Digital black and white prints....on the other hand....now that IS a topic worth discussing on THIS forum..

Sincerely, 

Steadman


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RE: [Digital BW] Martin/Antonis: Drop The Foveon Thread...Pleeeezzz it is Ridiculous!

2002-03-20 by Austin Franklin

Steadman,

> Really Austin,  can't you find somewhere else to argue?  I
> respect your rights to post on something somewhere....and we must
> all agree that you are an expert at something with lots of
> experience...and I for one will concede you must know much more
> about some things than I do....but...I for one just find my email
> box full almost everyday of "Austin argues  another scanner
> issue...yet again."
>
> The quality of this forum is quickly going down down down....with
> Austin arguing all the way...

You're right, this group has reached a new low with your post.  This is
supposed to be an ADULT technical discussion forum, and personal comments as
above should be kept off this list.

Whether you agree with me or not, or believe a thread is "off topic" of not,
that does NOT give you any rights to belittle me like this.  I have NEVER
insulted, much less, belittled, you in public, and I certainly don't expect
this level of disrespect from anyone.  You're out of line here.

Austin

Re: [Digital BW] Martin/Antonis: Drop The Foveon Thread...Pleeeezzz it is Ridiculous!

2002-03-20 by vinyo88

--- 
Steadman
He is starting to sound like the ranting and raving of a mad man, 
Maybe if nobody answers him he will go away.

V



In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Austin Franklin" 
<darkroom@i...> wrote:
> Steadman,
> 
> > Really Austin,  can't you find somewhere else to argue?  I
> > respect your rights to post on something somewhere....and we must
> > all agree that you are an expert at something with lots of
> > experience...and I for one will concede you must know much more
> > about some things than I do....but...I for one just find my email
> > box full almost everyday of "Austin argues  another scanner
> > issue...yet again."
> >
> > The quality of this forum is quickly going down down down....with
> > Austin arguing all the way...
> 
> You're right, this group has reached a new low with your post.  
This is
> supposed to be an ADULT technical discussion forum, and personal 
comments as
> above should be kept off this list.
> 
> Whether you agree with me or not, or believe a thread is "off 
topic" of not,
> that does NOT give you any rights to belittle me like this.  I have 
NEVER
> insulted, much less, belittled, you in public, and I certainly 
don't expect
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> this level of disrespect from anyone.  You're out of line here.
> 
> Austin

Re: [Digital BW] Martin/Antonis: Drop The Foveon Thread...Pleeeezzz it is Ridiculous!

2002-03-20 by Todd Flashner

> Steadman
> He is starting to sound like the ranting and raving of a mad man,
> Maybe if nobody answers him he will go away.
> 
> V

Come on guys, all he said was that a lot of people are making bold claims
based on hype and PR, and that time will "tell", not the copy of ad men and
reviewers hungry for the next "revolution". Seems pretty sane to me
actually.

The rest has been defending himself from attacks that he's got an agenda,
doesn't know what he's talking about, and and now that he's mad. Maybe if
YOU all back off the whole thing will go away.

Todd

Unwarranted Personal attacks WAS - RE: [Digital BW] Martin/Antonis: Drop The Foveon Thread...Pleeeezzz it is Ridiculous!

2002-03-20 by Austin Franklin

V,

What is wrong with you?  I chastise Steadman for belittling me, and now you
additionally belittle me saying I am ranting and raving like a mad man?
That's absurd, to say the least.

You've been asked by the list owner to stop, now do so and stop acting like
little children and cut the crap.  If you can't discuss issues as an adult,
or just simply don't understand the topic, then do not resort to childish
insults, just don't respond.

Austin
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Steadman
> He is starting to sound like the ranting and raving of a mad man,
> Maybe if nobody answers him he will go away.
>
> V
>
>
>
> In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Austin Franklin"
> <darkroom@i...> wrote:
> > Steadman,
> >
> > > Really Austin,  can't you find somewhere else to argue?  I
> > > respect your rights to post on something somewhere....and we must
> > > all agree that you are an expert at something with lots of
> > > experience...and I for one will concede you must know much more
> > > about some things than I do....but...I for one just find my email
> > > box full almost everyday of "Austin argues  another scanner
> > > issue...yet again."
> > >
> > > The quality of this forum is quickly going down down down....with
> > > Austin arguing all the way...
> >
> > You're right, this group has reached a new low with your post.
> This is
> > supposed to be an ADULT technical discussion forum, and personal
> comments as
> > above should be kept off this list.
> >
> > Whether you agree with me or not, or believe a thread is "off
> topic" of not,
> > that does NOT give you any rights to belittle me like this.  I have
> NEVER
> > insulted, much less, belittled, you in public, and I certainly
> don't expect
> > this level of disrespect from anyone.  You're out of line here.
> >
> > Austin

Re: Unwarranted Personal attacks WAS - RE: [Digital BW] Martin/Antonis: Drop The Foveon Thread...Pleeeezzz it is Ridiculous!

2002-03-20 by Pics4U@en.com

> You've been asked by the list owner to stop, now do so and stop acting
> like little children and cut the crap.  If you can't discuss issues as
> an adult, or just simply don't understand the topic, then do not
> resort to childish insults, just don't respond.
> 
> Austin

Aaaah, now it all starts to make sense. The rules apply to everyone EXCEPT Austin.  His 
statement above shows it all. 'YOU'VE' been told to stop, IE: everyone but me!

As I recall, the moderator/list owner asked EVERYONE to stop!

Re: Unwarranted Personal attacks WAS - RE: [Digital BW] Martin/Antonis: Drop The Foveon Thread...Pleeeezzz it is Ridiculous!

2002-03-20 by Bill Morse

Hi Austin-

I am writing to you off-list as the list has way too much of this stuff as
it is.

I for one value your experience, and your posts, when you address issues
relating to the list.  However, I have to tell you now, that apparently you
don't get what's going on here.  In my opinion, Martin was or should have
been referring to you as well as others in his recent warnings.  It takes
two to tango, and I must say, you have taken the dance bait hook, line and
sinker (to mix more than a few metaphors ;^).

The most distressing thing, to me, is your defense based on "I've been
attacked, and there's no way I'm going to take it" (I know, I'm
paraphrasing).  It just doesn't cut it, Austin, for the rest of us, who have
to wade through all the wasted cyber-ink.  You are letting your own needs
trump the needs of everyone else on the list.  If you have to respond, do
so, as I am, off-list, where it doesn't affect the rest of the list.

Finally, I wish I could make you see how it looks, from here, to have you
"chastising" other list members for bad conduct.  It's embarrassing, really.

I know you're angry, but I hope you take this in the spirit in which it's
offered.

Bill Morse
PhotoProspect
Cambridge, MA 02139

on 3/20/02 2:49 PM, Austin Franklin wrote:

V,

What is wrong with you?  I chastise Steadman for belittling me, and now you
additionally belittle me saying I am ranting and raving like a mad man?
That's absurd, to say the least.

You've been asked by the list owner to stop, now do so and stop acting like
little children and cut the crap.  If you can't discuss issues as an adult,
or just simply don't understand the topic, then do not resort to childish
insults, just don't respond.

Austin


> Steadman
> He is starting to sound like the ranting and raving of a mad man,
> Maybe if nobody answers him he will go away.
>
> V
>
>
>
> In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Austin Franklin"
> <darkroom@i...> wrote:
> > Steadman,
> >
> > > Really Austin,  can't you find somewhere else to argue?  I
> > > respect your rights to post on something somewhere....and we must
> > > all agree that you are an expert at something with lots of
> > > experience...and I for one will concede you must know much more
> > > about some things than I do....but...I for one just find my email
> > > box full almost everyday of "Austin argues  another scanner
> > > issue...yet again."
> > >
> > > The quality of this forum is quickly going down down down....with
> > > Austin arguing all the way...
> >
> > You're right, this group has reached a new low with your post.
> This is
> > supposed to be an ADULT technical discussion forum, and personal
> comments as
> > above should be kept off this list.
> >
> > Whether you agree with me or not, or believe a thread is "off
> topic" of not,
> > that does NOT give you any rights to belittle me like this.  I have
> NEVER
> > insulted, much less, belittled, you in public, and I certainly
> don't expect
> > this level of disrespect from anyone.  You're out of line here.
> >
> > Austin


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RE: Unwarranted Personal attacks WAS - RE: [Digital BW] Martin/Antonis: Drop The Foveon Thread...Pleeeezzz it is Ridiculous!

2002-03-20 by Austin Franklin

> > You've been asked by the list owner to stop, now do so and stop acting
> > like little children and cut the crap.  If you can't discuss issues as
> > an adult, or just simply don't understand the topic, then do not
> > resort to childish insults, just don't respond.
> >
> > Austin
>
> Aaaah, now it all starts to make sense. The rules apply to
> everyone EXCEPT Austin.  His
> statement above shows it all. 'YOU'VE' been told to stop, IE:
> everyone but me!
>
> As I recall, the moderator/list owner asked EVERYONE to stop!

Greg,

Where did I insult or belittle anyone?  Answer is, I have not.  I am
certainly entitled to comment on personal attacks directed at me ON-LIST,
when and where they were said.

Austin

Re: Unwarranted Personal attacks WAS - RE: [Digital BW] Martin/Antonis: Drop The Foveon Thread...Pleeeezzz it is Ridiculous!

2002-03-20 by Todd Flashner

Embarrassing isn't it Bill?

Oh well, it happens. ;-)

Todd
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> Hi Austin-
> 
> I am writing to you off-list as the list has way too much of this stuff as
> it is.
> 
> I for one value your experience, and your posts, when you address issues
> relating to the list.  However, I have to tell you now, that apparently you
> don't get what's going on here.  In my opinion, Martin was or should have
> been referring to you as well as others in his recent warnings.  It takes
> two to tango, and I must say, you have taken the dance bait hook, line and
> sinker (to mix more than a few metaphors ;^).
> 
> The most distressing thing, to me, is your defense based on "I've been
> attacked, and there's no way I'm going to take it" (I know, I'm
> paraphrasing).  It just doesn't cut it, Austin, for the rest of us, who have
> to wade through all the wasted cyber-ink.  You are letting your own needs
> trump the needs of everyone else on the list.  If you have to respond, do
> so, as I am, off-list, where it doesn't affect the rest of the list.
> 
> Finally, I wish I could make you see how it looks, from here, to have you
> "chastising" other list members for bad conduct.  It's embarrassing, really.
> 
> I know you're angry, but I hope you take this in the spirit in which it's
> offered.
> 
> Bill Morse
> PhotoProspect
> Cambridge, MA 02139
> 
> on 3/20/02 2:49 PM, Austin Franklin wrote:
> 
> V,
> 
> What is wrong with you?  I chastise Steadman for belittling me, and now you
> additionally belittle me saying I am ranting and raving like a mad man?
> That's absurd, to say the least.
> 
> You've been asked by the list owner to stop, now do so and stop acting like
> little children and cut the crap.  If you can't discuss issues as an adult,
> or just simply don't understand the topic, then do not resort to childish
> insults, just don't respond.
> 
> Austin
> 
> 
>> Steadman
>> He is starting to sound like the ranting and raving of a mad man,
>> Maybe if nobody answers him he will go away.
>> 
>> V
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Austin Franklin"
>> <darkroom@i...> wrote:
>>> Steadman,
>>> 
>>>> Really Austin,  can't you find somewhere else to argue?  I
>>>> respect your rights to post on something somewhere....and we must
>>>> all agree that you are an expert at something with lots of
>>>> experience...and I for one will concede you must know much more
>>>> about some things than I do....but...I for one just find my email
>>>> box full almost everyday of "Austin argues  another scanner
>>>> issue...yet again."
>>>> 
>>>> The quality of this forum is quickly going down down down....with
>>>> Austin arguing all the way...
>>> 
>>> You're right, this group has reached a new low with your post.
>> This is
>>> supposed to be an ADULT technical discussion forum, and personal
>> comments as
>>> above should be kept off this list.
>>> 
>>> Whether you agree with me or not, or believe a thread is "off
>> topic" of not,
>>> that does NOT give you any rights to belittle me like this.  I have
>> NEVER
>>> insulted, much less, belittled, you in public, and I certainly
>> don't expect
>>> this level of disrespect from anyone.  You're out of line here.
>>> 
>>> Austin
> 
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Weekly Critiques are back in business....

2002-03-21 by Lawrence Smith

Hi all,

If this is in bad form let me know...

It's been quite a while since the last image was posted for critique.  This
one was done using a friends D30.  I am having trouble printing it as the
shadows on the cheek get WAY posterized using the VM inks and Paul's curves.
This is the first time this has happened.  It's quite strange.  I've
successfully used this camera in the past.  Not really sure what is going
on.  Anyway have a visit if you like and share your thoughts.

http://www.lwsphoto.com

Click on the Critique button.


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