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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Vacuum fill overfill and nubbins, was After Market Chips

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Vacuum fill overfill and nubbins, was After Market Chips

2002-03-27 by Martin Wesley

Jim,

Thank you for all the good tips and information on working with refilling the chipped cartridges. Especially the soldering iron specs. Greatly appreciated.

If you ever have the inclination, it would be great if you pulled all your experience with this together and I could post it in the files section.

Martin
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jimhayes361 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 9:03 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Vacuum fill overfill and nubbins, was After Market Chips


  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
  <mwesley250@e...> wrote:
  > Paul,
  > 
  > The fault was mine. I was using the virgin carts and chips from MIS. 
  After
  > Jim's post I looked closely and the pins on the cartridge sockets of 
  both
  > printers had been damaged.
  > 
  > I thought back over what I had done and realized my mistake. 
  Suspecting I
  > had slightly over filled the cartridges I wanted to break the clear 
  bottom
  > seal and then remove the vent tape to let the cartridges drain a 
  bit. I
  > decided the best way to do this would be to insert the carts into 
  the
  > printer to break the seal and then take them out to drain.

  I would recomend using a syringe to draw out ink from top, from vent 
  holes if rubber balls already seated.. Or if just a little ink, and 
  your top fill holes are not sealed with the balls yet (I use small Ace 
  Hardware corks until all chambers are filled, then I let the chambers 
  sit for an hour before sealing them with balls), twist paper towels 
  into thin fingers and dip them into the fill holes to soak up excess.

  To get great accuracy on filling the 18 ml carts for the 1280, I don't 
  use the 30 ml syringes MIS supplies. I bought some 20 ml syringes 
  which give me good resolution on fill volumes and fit in the bottles 
  better when drawing out ink. B-D makes them, about 65 cents each. 
  order #309661

  Unfortunately I
  > had forgotten to install the chip first so what must have happened 
  is that
  > without the chip in place the fingers in the printer socket got 
  caught on
  > the edge of the depression where the chip fits or the nubs that hole 
  the
  > chip and were bent out of position.

  Yes this was mentioned in a previous post- it is deadly if the chip 
  falls off when removing- the tines go into the hollow of the cart and 
  bend. This is why I now securely melt the nubbins onto the chip when 
  installing- so the chip won't pop off.
  Jim H.




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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Vacuum fill overfill and nubbins, was After Market Chips

2002-03-27 by TigerShark

Martin and all,
 
Funny that the thread stopped suddenly.  I guess there is no easy answer
...
 
The same thing happened to me on my 2000P a few months ago.  I
accidentally forgot to mount the chip in a black refill cart, and all
tines were pulled up, when I had to (forcefully) remove the cart.
 
I took the printer head assembly apart and removed that little insert
connector.  Actually you don't have to take the head assembly apart I
found out later.  The culprit part is an ELCO 9501 connector, and it
would be good to have a few of these spare.  But I looked all over the
web for it and have not been able to find it so far.  So I resorted to
some fine mechanical skills I inherited and remade the tines that were
broken off, restoring the functionality of the connector, and the
printer has worked well since.
 
My guess is that the same connector is used on all chipped Epson
printers.  Is there anyone on this list who knows where to get this part
(ELCO 9501) ?
 
I have uploaded an image of my "remanufactured" connector in the files
section.
 
TigerShark
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From: Martin Wesley [mailto:mwesley250@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:12 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Vacuum fill overfill and nubbins, was
After Market Chips
 
Jim,

Thank you for all the good tips and information on working with
refilling the chipped cartridges. Especially the soldering iron specs.
Greatly appreciated.

If you ever have the inclination, it would be great if you pulled all
your experience with this together and I could post it in the files
section.

Martin 


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[Digital BW] Re: Vacuum fill overfill and nubbins, was After Market Chips

2002-03-27 by jimhayes361

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "TigerShark" <sunnyd@p...> 
wrote:
> Martin and all,

> My guess is that the same connector is used on all chipped Epson
> printers.  Is there anyone on this list who knows where to get this 
part
> (ELCO 9501) ?
>  

If anyone knows how to find it I should. Unfortunately I have not been 
specifying connectors for electronincs companies for ten years. Elco 
is not a major name I recognise. Amp and Molex are the giants, or 
were.

Elco sounds a little like a company name I dealt with once wrt a low 
profile, zero wipe connector. This company made rubber sticks that had 
fine gold tines/lines wrapped around it. You would get two pc boards, 
say the top one had an LCD on it, and create a sandwidch with this 
connector in the middle. It conducted current from one board to the 
LCD, with gaps of less than 0.100 inch.

I used to have three filing cabinet drawers stuffed with catalogs from 
vendors usefull to electronics companies. Sadly, I threw them away 
housecleaning after a few years off the job.

Sometimes the best way to find a connector is through an Epson part 
rep/repair place. For example, maybe the repair center 20 miles from 
me can order it as a replacement. Or the places listed on Epson page 
that give the two companies you can buy parts from for Epsons.

Given time, I might try this.


 Sometimes connector companies mold in ID info on the connector, to 
give you a way to track the company via phone or now, internet.

I don't know how the 2000 works, but the 1160 at least needs special 
software if the head is removed, replaced. It has to be re-aligned 
three ways.
Jim H.

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Vacuum fill overfill and nubbins, was After Market Chips

2002-03-27 by TigerShark

I have tried some free market Epson parts suppliers on the web to no
avail.
 
That connector is very much like what you just described, except it is
about 1/8 inch thick, 1/4 inch with protruding tines.
There are 7 tines wrapping around and "ELCO 9501" is molded into the
header piece.  I could not upload the image to the files section, but
sent it to Martin so he can do it.
 
TigerShark
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-----Original Message-----
From: jimhayes361 [mailto:jimhayes@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 3:17 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Vacuum fill overfill and nubbins, was After
Market Chips
 
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "TigerShark" <sunnyd@p...> 
wrote:
> Martin and all,

> My guess is that the same connector is used on all chipped Epson
> printers.  Is there anyone on this list who knows where to get this 
part
> (ELCO 9501) ?
>  

If anyone knows how to find it I should. Unfortunately I have not been 
specifying connectors for electronincs companies for ten years. Elco 
is not a major name I recognise. Amp and Molex are the giants, or 
were.

Elco sounds a little like a company name I dealt with once wrt a low 
profile, zero wipe connector. This company made rubber sticks that had 
fine gold tines/lines wrapped around it. You would get two pc boards, 
say the top one had an LCD on it, and create a sandwidch with this 
connector in the middle. It conducted current from one board to the 
LCD, with gaps of less than 0.100 inch.

I used to have three filing cabinet drawers stuffed with catalogs from 
vendors usefull to electronics companies. Sadly, I threw them away 
housecleaning after a few years off the job.

Sometimes the best way to find a connector is through an Epson part 
rep/repair place. For example, maybe the repair center 20 miles from 
me can order it as a replacement. Or the places listed on Epson page 
that give the two companies you can buy parts from for Epsons.

Given time, I might try this.


Sometimes connector companies mold in ID info on the connector, to 
give you a way to track the company via phone or now, internet.

I don't know how the 2000 works, but the 1160 at least needs special 
software if the head is removed, replaced. It has to be re-aligned 
three ways.
Jim H. 





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found Elco connector URL, was Vacuum fill overfill

2002-03-27 by jimhayes361

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "TigerShark" <sunnyd@p...> 
wrote:
> I have tried some free market Epson parts suppliers on the web to no
> avail.
>  
> That connector is very much like what you just described, except it 
is
> about 1/8 inch thick, 1/4 inch with protruding tines.
> There are 7 tines wrapping around and "ELCO 9501" is molded into the
> header piece.  I could not upload the image to the files section, 
but
> sent it to Martin so he can do it.
>  
> TigerShark
>  

Or I can get you close:

http://www.avxcorp.com/prodinfo_cataloglisting.asp

You will notice a number of ELCO connector types listed. I couldn't 
find #9501, but it must exist. They are a division of AVX, it would 
appear. You might try clicking "AVX home" and then click for a sample 
request. Or simply call the phone # or e-mail on the home page for 
AVX. You will have to prove to them that you are a buisness if you 
want to get samples. Or get a group of folks together to buy a 
quantity if you want.

You can probably take it from here. Let me know how it turns out. Nice 
to know my skills at finding connectors aren't too rusty yet. It WAS 
the same company I remembered from ten years ago<g>.
Jim H.

RE: [Digital BW] found Elco connector URL, was Vacuum fill overfill

2002-03-27 by TigerShark

Thanks Jim,
 
As a matter of fact, I was on this site in my earlier quests, but since
the part wasn't listed I gave up on it.
 
I will contact them and see what they can do for us.  I have a business
and we do some electronics research and engineering, and wouldn't even
mind buying a quantity . I guess these things typically go by the 100s
or 1000s huh ?
 
Yeah, I'm glad you have your skills well oiled :-)
 
TigerShark
  

Or I can get you close:

http://www.avxcorp.com/prodinfo_cataloglisting.asp

You will notice a number of ELCO connector types listed. I couldn't 
find #9501, but it must exist. They are a division of AVX, it would 
appear. You might try clicking "AVX home" and then click for a sample 
request. Or simply call the phone # or e-mail on the home page for 
AVX. You will have to prove to them that you are a buisness if you 
want to get samples. Or get a group of folks together to buy a 
quantity if you want.

You can probably take it from here. Let me know how it turns out. Nice 
to know my skills at finding connectors aren't too rusty yet. It WAS 
the same company I remembered from ten years ago<g>.
Jim H. 

 


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Re: [Digital BW] found Elco connector URL, was Vacuum fill overfill

2002-03-28 by jimhayes361

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "TigerShark" <sunnyd@p...> 
wrote:
> Thanks Jim,
>  
> As a matter of fact, I was on this site in my earlier quests, but 
since
> the part wasn't listed I gave up on it.

Yeah, that's weird. But sometimes a company will make special 
connectors for someone like Epson- if it's high volume. Or maybe they 
just don't put it on their web page- I'm sure they have more 
connectors than what they show.

>  
> I will contact them and see what they can do for us.  I have a 
business
> and we do some electronics research and engineering, and wouldn't 
even
> mind buying a quantity . I guess these things typically go by the 
100s
> or 1000s huh ?


It depends on how expensive the part is, obviouusly if I buy one Epson 
10000 printer, they're going to take more care of me and be more 
friendly than if I bought two or ten Epson 820's<g>.

A good flying guess would be between 50 and 250 as a minimum, but who 
knows? Could be they will sell as little as ten. One's and two's are 
sample catagory. Depends on the company too. The company I worked for 
opened just about any door. I had free samples, coffee mugs, free 
penknifes, magnifiers ( the better to see the contact wear!), you name 
it<g>. 

>  
> Yeah, I'm glad you have your skills well oiled :-)

Makes me feel like I have a real job again, not just a starving 
artist. Gosh!<g>
Jim H.

>  
> TigerShark
>   
> 
> Or I can get you close:
> 
> http://www.avxcorp.com/prodinfo_cataloglisting.asp
> 
> You will notice a number of ELCO connector types listed. I couldn't 
> find #9501, but it must exist. They are a division of AVX, it would 
> appear. You might try clicking "AVX home" and then click for a 
sample 
> request. Or simply call the phone # or e-mail on the home page for 
> AVX.

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