Digital BW, The Print

Piezo and MIS inks are compatible. I used to color the yellow position
piezo ink with MIS cyan and magenta inks to get cold tones. Just hook up
the new inks, and run about 20 pages or so of each position ink color
and the new ink will show up. You can also use a syringe, and suck out
the inks from the bottom of the cartridges as much as possible. This
will then require only about a dozen prints before the new inks take effect.

Jerry

tomoc wrote:

> 
> Hi Itch-
> 
> 1. The inks are probably theoretically compatible, but I would advise
> you to buy new carts ($39) and just swap out the carts so you will
> only have to clean the tubes and a quick print head cleaning cycle to
> make the change. If you want to risk mixing the two inks, the process
> would be to get a LOT of cheap paper and run flush cycles till you
> have run at least a cart full of ink through the system making the
> flush prints (file available on MIS site for flushing). I just did
> this making a more simple change from MIS FS to MIS FSN and I wish I
> didn't...it took forever and I wasn't ever clearly sure it was
> complete, etc. I would definitely not do it with the change you want
> to make.
> 
> 2. The Epson driver is very good. It has a slightly different dither
> pattern but if you use the Roark (or other) curves, you have a lot of
> control over every print that you really don't have with piezo. Piezo
> is a lot simpler to use and has lot of profiles with it. I find it
> runs about 2x-3x faster (I wonder why) than the epson driver, so I
> use it a lot for prints that look good with it (most do).
> 
> 3. I think there are some .jpg files in the archives here that show
> the 21 step files for each ink. If they are different, it isn't by
> much and the advantage probably goes to MIS (but there are multiple
> flavors of MIS). I think the answer really doesn't matter. Both inks
> can make great prints. FS and FSN work great with the Piezo driver.
> Warm tones go (declining) pretty much Piezo, FS, FSN. MIS VM flavors
> allow a gradient of tones. Piezo clogs, MIS doesn't (for me, at
> least).
> 
> My advice is pick one and work it to death. If you aren't having
> problems with piezo ink, why change? If you are, you will totally
> love the MIS FS or FSN on the piezo driver.
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Tom O'Connell
> 
> TomOC@...
> www.thomasoconnell.com
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Mitch Alland <malland@m...>
> wrote:
> > A few questions:
> >
> > 1. I am using an 1160 with the CIS system from Cone, and have the
> Piezo ink in the CIS now. How should I go about switching to the FS
> inks? Can I just pour in the FS ink into the Piezo bottles, letting
> there be some mixture between the Piezo and FS inks initially?
> Otherwise, I would have to empty the Piezo ink now in the
> CIS "cartridges." If so, how do I do that?
> >
> > 2. I looked at the MIS website and found that they state that some
> people prefer the Epson driver to the Piezo driver. I find that hard
> to believe as I find the Piezo provides much better (smoother)
> gradation and virtually no dots visible in the highklights. The Piezo
> driver is also faster on the 1160. Does anyone find
> >
> > 3. Someone on this forum has stated that the MIS-FS have a
> different gradation than the Piezo ink, while other people think  the
> gradation is the same but that the tone of the MIS-FS inks is cooler.
> What are the facts?
> >
> > --Mitch
> 
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Just learned this from another list and I encourage everyone to pass
this on to any other Yahoo Groups they belong to. I think this is a
violation of Yahoo's Privacy Policy. I have already sent feedback to
Yahoo complaining. Wonder if they will even reply. Here are the
details.....

Yahoo has changed everyone's "marketing preferences" to "yes" so
everyone will get loads of "offers." I just checked mine and it was
true.

Go to the main YahooGroups page and click on "Account Info" at the top
right. When your account comes up (you will probably have to enter
your password again), scroll down to the e-mail addresses portion and
click on "Edit Your Marketing Preferences" where you will probably
find a check in the `Yes' column by each and every thing. Then go to
the bottom of the page and make sure you uncheck the places where you
give them permission to mail stuff or call you (unless you want them
to, of course). Make your changes and click on "Save Changes."

Hopefully this will help cut down on the amount of spam people get
and more importantly, help keep people from quitting our group

At 07:28 PM 3/30/2002 +0000, benoitml wrote:

>Yahoo has changed everyone's "marketing preferences" to "yes" so
>everyone will get loads of "offers." I just checked mine and it was
>true.

 From the marketing preferences page, there is a link to another page with 
additional information.  It includes this:

-----------------------------begin quote---------------------------------------
  In addition, we have reset marketing preferences for some of our users. 
If you are one of those users, unless you decide to change these 
preferences, you may begin receiving marketing messages from Yahoo! about 
ways to enhance your Yahoo! experience, including special offers and new 
features.

Yahoo! is notifying users of these changes to marketing preferences via 
email. Your new marketing preferences will not take effect until 60 days 
after the date the email is sent to you so you have plenty of time to 
decide what you want to receive and what you don't. To change your 
preferences, go to the Marketing Preferences page.

--------------------------end quote------------------------------------------

This indicates that the change won't happen for a while and that we will 
get an email about it.  Mine were changed but I haven't seen an email yet.


****************
James E. Martz
Milan, OH
jemartz@...
*****************

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "benoitml" <benoitml@y...> 
wrote:
<snip>
and
> click on "Edit Your Marketing Preferences" where you will probably
> find a check in the `Yes' column by each and every thing. Then go to
> the bottom of the page and make sure you uncheck the places where 
you
> give them permission to mail stuff or call you (unless you want them
> to, of course). Make your changes and click on "Save Changes."
> 
> Hopefully this will help cut down on the amount of spam people get
> and more importantly, help keep people from quitting our group

Maybe yes, maybe no. Did you read the fine print at the bottom of 
page? The paragraph that states they will continue to send you stuff 
for sixty days anyway? Or do they mean preferences won't take effect 
for 60 days? It is a very vaguely worded paragraph, difficult to 
interpret what it means...
Jim H.

> Just learned this from another list and I encourage
everyone to pass
> this on to any other Yahoo Groups they belong to. I
think this is a
> violation of Yahoo's Privacy Policy. I have already
sent feedback to
> Yahoo complaining. Wonder if they will even reply.
Here are the
> details.....
> 
> Yahoo has changed everyone's "marketing preferences"
to "yes" so
> everyone will get loads of "offers." I just checked
mine and it was
> true.
> 
> Go to the main YahooGroups page and click on
"Account Info" at the top
> right. When your account comes up (you will probably
have to enter
> your password again), scroll down to the e-mail
addresses portion and
> click on "Edit Your Marketing Preferences" where you
will probably
> find a check in the `Yes' column by each and every
thing. Then go to
> the bottom of the page and make sure you uncheck the
places where you
> give them permission to mail stuff or call you
(unless you want them
> to, of course). Make your changes and click on "Save
Changes."
> 
> Hopefully this will help cut down on the amount of
spam people get
> and more importantly, help keep people from quitting
our group


This is true because my preferences were all set to
receive marketing services and I had turned them all
to off. This is terrible. I am not on other lists so I
can not tell if this is a Black&White problem only or
all of the lists. I think everyone should write Yahoo
to complain. How do we do that?


-della

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