Digital BW, The Print

On 3/31/02 AZinn@... wrote:

>http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/8874/colorchange.html
>
>Bad news.  I have a MIS-FS print on EAM that has been sitting under a
>skylight with intermittent full sun for about three months. The ink has
>turned very brown. The good news is it hasn't faded, the paper still looks
>like new paper and I don't need to look for VanDyke brown inks now. 

???

I don't think these results are very surprising. EAM isn't an archival
paper and putting any image in intermittent full sun is likely to produce
at least tonal shifts. 

>I think any changes at all pretty much relegates a printing method to
>inexpensive reproduction status.  

really? what printing methods are you thinking of that it would be okay
to leave in intermittent full sun?

-- 
John Brownlow

http://www.pinkheadedbug.com

>
> really? what printing methods are you thinking of that it would be okay
> to leave in intermittent full sun?
>
> --
> John Brownlow
>

How about the Ten Commandments, written in stone?

Jerry.

Got news for ya! Blasting MIS FS prints with sun will eventually turn all 
prints towards the brown no matter what paper you use!. Same with piezo inks.
Steve M.


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John,

I really have to agree with your thoughts.

What do people expect?

This is really crazy and anal. I ask anyone to place a sheet of Fiber Base
silver poper in the sun for 30, 60, or 90 days. Guess what? It yellows!
Surprised?

I now have 20x24 prints with MIS inks on H. William Turner that are a year
old, under UV Plexi and show no visible signs of fading.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Brownlow" <lists@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] comin' up brown 2


> On 3/31/02 AZinn@... wrote:
>
> >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/8874/colorchange.html
> >
> >Bad news.  I have a MIS-FS print on EAM that has been sitting under a
> >skylight with intermittent full sun for about three months. The ink has
> >turned very brown. The good news is it hasn't faded, the paper still
looks
> >like new paper and I don't need to look for VanDyke brown inks now.
>
> ???
>
> I don't think these results are very surprising. EAM isn't an archival
> paper and putting any image in intermittent full sun is likely to produce
> at least tonal shifts.
>
> >I think any changes at all pretty much relegates a printing method to
> >inexpensive reproduction status.
>
> really? what printing methods are you thinking of that it would be okay
> to leave in intermittent full sun?
>
> --
> John Brownlow
>
> http://www.pinkheadedbug.com
>
>
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-----Original Message-----

From: meander@... [mailto:meander@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 6:54 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] comin' up brown 2



>
> really? what printing methods are you thinking of that it would be okay
> to leave in intermittent full sun?
>
> --
> John Brownlow
>

How about the Ten Commandments, written in stone?

Jerry.

Those would fade due to the acid rain etching away at them.

Jack Kendall



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OOPS!  had to place it at this URL:

http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/8874/colorchange.html

Bad news.  I have a MIS-FS print on EAM that has been sitting under a
skylight with intermittent full sun for about three months. The ink has
turned very brown. The good news is it hasn't faded, the paper still looks
like new paper and I don't need to look for VanDyke brown inks now.  



I think any changes at all pretty much relegates a printing method to
inexpensive reproduction status.  

It's Spring, the sun is shining even here in Michigan. I propose everyone
cut a print in two today and place half somewhere in daylight until Memorial
Day (May 27). We'll meet back here and compare notes. 

AZ

Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.

http://lookaroundcam.com/
         or
keyword.com lookaround

They didn't last long, Moses destroyed them when he came down the
mountain, didn't he?

(They weren't etched on archival stone.... :).

> > really? what printing methods are you thinking of that it would be okay
> > to leave in intermittent full sun?
> >
> > --
> > John Brownlow
> >
> 
> How about the Ten Commandments, written in stone?

Steve, that's why I use the cool curve and VM inks. They do NOT turn
brown after months in the sun.  

Jerry



sdmey4@... wrote:

> 
> Got news for ya! Blasting MIS FS prints with sun will eventually turn all
> prints towards the brown no matter what paper you use!. Same with piezo inks.
> Steve M.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
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At 09:17 AM 3/31/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>On 3/31/02 AZinn@... wrote:
>
>>http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/8874/colorchange.html
>>
>>Bad news.  I have a MIS-FS print on EAM that has been sitting under a
>>skylight with intermittent full sun for about three months. The ink has
>>turned very brown. The good news is it hasn't faded, the paper still looks
>>like new paper and I don't need to look for VanDyke brown inks now. 
>
>???
>
>I don't think these results are very surprising. EAM isn't an archival
>paper and putting any image in intermittent full sun is likely to produce
>at least tonal shifts. 
>
>>I think any changes at all pretty much relegates a printing method to
>>inexpensive reproduction status.  
>
>really? what printing methods are you thinking of that it would be okay
>to leave in intermittent full sun?
>
>-- 
>John Brownlow
>
>http://www.pinkheadedbug.com
>
>
John,

Hey, I was doing a Wilhelm(sp?) on the cheap - accelerated testing - dubious
data but that's all we have to go by. It was a bit of a shock to see the
print go all Hershey on me yet not fade.  I have another "test" started
today. One print in reflected sunlight the other in direct.

AZ
Maker of Lookaround panoramic camera.

http://lookaroundcam.com/
         or
keyword.com lookaround